the bulk of the time was with the president-elect, donald trump. i found it an extremely interesting conversation. and to be continued. and i m just going to leave it at that. for the latest on the transition, i m joined by nbc s kristen welker. i don t know what s going on. all i know, kristen, the list gets longer. the ones that came to the vineyard earlier aren t getting much good time out of this. it must be very frustrating for rudy giuliani, for mitt romney, and the rest. your thoughts? what do you know? reporter: you can only imagine. of course, you had mitt romney dining with malpresident-elect trump last week. look, here s how to think about where things stand right now in terms of this race for the secretary of state. you have rudy giuliani and mitt romney who were really the two top contenders. but chris, as we ve been reporting, trump world was so deeply divided over these two top contenders, a lot of people saw rudy giuliani as a lightning rod, too much of a loyalist
individually want to protect themselves from liability because we know what can happen when someone penetrates a movie theater and that is awful and maybe we couldn t conceive of that before james holms in colorado but now, unfortunately, that s reality and since they had prior warnings, their defense is that s incredible actionable. the other thing is if people are staying away from the interview, they re staying away from everything else. i think that sony should sprout the boulders and release the movie online for free. so andrea, you mentioned mitt romn romney. sony pictures, don t cave. fight this. fight the release. release the interview online globally and ask viewers for $5 a person to fight ebola. let s bring that discussion right back to hollywood, right? hollywood is not happy about sony s decision. many taking to twitter to vent. the film s producer saying, i think it s disgraceful these theaters are not showing the interview.
will they put any movie that gets an anonymous threat now? jimmy kimmel tweeting, i agree wholeheartedly. un-american act of cowardess and sets a terrifying precedent. and actor rob lowe saying saw seth rogan at jfk. both of us have never seen or heard anything like this. let s get back to that. we re talking about hollywoohol. should sony just release this for free? their executives have been embarrassed and i would never defend the executives for what they said but we should be allowed to have a free exchange of ideas in this country. and set the example. i think they should release it online and i agree with mitt romney, not about the ebola charity but i don t know that people are going to pay to see it and i don t want to confuse the issue. i think we should be fighting ebola and blah, blah, blah but yes, they should release it online because if the worry in north korea is the content and people seeing it, put it out there. just like they put all the
king of iowa is still struggling to understand why the notion of self-deportation didn t work so well for mitt romney s presidential campaign. what is clear, however, is that more than 71% of latino voters were not enamored by mr. romney s approach to the complex issue of immigration. joining us now is lily gilvaletta, founder of the xl alliance. given the gang of eight on immigration is this bill is working its way through the senate judiciary committee today, are you surprised that republicans like steve king still seem confused that referring to such a large swath of the population, encouraging them to self-deport, they might find that offensive? i m going to give it a cute name. it s a case of the brown elephant. big and obvious sitting in the middle of the room. you are still dancing around it. that s what s happening with the hispanic population. the fastest growing segment of voters, of population in general in this country that unless you embrace it, you re going to lose
yourself with people who repeat the same things that you do, you know, if you ve seen nothing but benghazi in your twitter feed for the last six months, you probably need to start following a few more people because it s going to lead you to conclusions like bachmann s that there s no way obama could have won because everybody i know voted for mitt romn romney. that kind of thing is, you know, is going to trap somebody like bachmann. okay. betsy, rand paul has tied several of the scandals neatly together for us. very helpfully. take a listen. he s using the power of government to investigate his ene enemies. he s tapping the phones of the press. and it turns out last year he signed legislation that allows him to detain an american without a trial and send them to guantanamo bay. this sounds like a president somewhat drunk on power. betsy, what do you think? drunk on power? yeah, probably not the most elegant way of communicating. i think what rand paul is getting at here is per