by the way which the government holds, students have a heck of a time paying off the loans in a high interest rate environment, are we creating a debt burden on the students and being unfair to them at the end of the day and that s my main concern as far as this issue is concerned. susan, an alternative way to think about this, you don t automatically go to college and wait until you know exactly what you want to do or don t go at all. yeah, that s right. i mean, i think there s a case to be made if air not absolutely sure, you know, take your time. my wife, who is much smarter than prettier than i am you know, waited until she was 24, and really figured out what she wanted to do. went off to uc berkley graduated from straight a s and proved that, you know, you could benefit enormously. but there is, for a lot of students, west point is vi, trade schools are much better deal and we re seeing a new world of online education that is less expensive and maybe the right choice for young
we have a family to impress, it s going on, where either darren s working or i m working. i can keep my skills active and feel satisfied in my paid work but also be at home and know my children. it s certainly a balancing act. since we ve always shared child care responsibilities, we do that trading off. beth spends a lot of time with the children, not only caring for them but doing the homeschooling, which takes up a lot of time. we ve chosen to homeschool our children, because family is so important to us, we weren t ready to have our children be away for eight hours a day. although we review on an annual basis, what it is, they like what it is, what they think is the best thing for them. i do enjoy being a teacher. i was a teacher before i went to nursing school. i have a liberal arts degree with a major in psychology, my concentration in elementary education. beth and i have had many degrees, and we like many people took out loans.
prison in one way or another. to come back and come back as a helper, they re really good at it. they fit into the social service agencies in new york city. they re really benefit back to the community and they re also a financial benefit to the community. they once hurt, they come back as helpers now. it s interesting, glenn, you were saying earlier you received a college education while in prison. sure. i received a two-year liberal arts degree in prison. it probably cost about $12,000 a year through private donations. think of that in terms of the payoff. essential essentially, it s become the repository for the idea of providing education to people in prison should be a no brainer if you will. what happens is it s ate win-win. it s a win for the individual who earns a degree and life outlook has changed and they have the tools to navigate the labor market and so on. even for the correctional facility.
takes these degree, i hope to a ph.d. and so we ll see how this all turns out. i think there s a huge, huge danger in that, just like i think there s a huge danger in saying someone with 80 or $200,000 in student loan debt is a pariah. i don t deserve any of those other thing that is may contribute back to the public combat in this society because i m not wealthy enough to write the check myself. so you re talking about the idea of tracking of essentially having a situation where there s an elite set of people that get a liberal arts degree and study calligraphy and then the working class is put in the educational system. like engineering and having a higher earning power when you get down to the school? there s a problem with that. the stem degrees, then you begin
the economy gets smaller. the other way, the government gets smaller. we shrink the government and the economy has a chance to grow. neil: you think if companies had regulations curtailed, you would be hireable? they would look for you? i think so. i think they would be looking for a lot of people. neil: what s your expertise? i have a liberal arts degree in politics, a ph.d., i plan to be a college professor but that didn t work so i had to find something else. neil: okay. so what happens if they don t cut back on the regulations? are they different in academia or even more so in the college world that makes it tough for guys like you to get a job? are they more so? well, i m not even worried about working in academia any longer. what i m worried about is