and just like ann burford,, and her son neil gorsuch who have been in this fight for decades, so is this next guest. he is an empty pioneer in environmental activism, he is bill mckibben, he s an environmentalist and the founder of a organization called third act, which is comprised of people overseas to are deterring to change the world for the better, he s also the author of a memoir called the flag, the cross, and the station wagon, bill good to see you again, thank you for being with us tonight. a real pleasure to be with you, friend. tell me, can you help us understand what exactly this ruling does to the epa? it limits their ability to limit or restrict the negative environmentally negative output of power plants. that s right. the epa is filled with experts whose job it is to figure out how to regulate the pollution that comes out of power plants and things. with a supreme court today said, we don t care about that, [inaudible] going to be serious regulation congress has t
that make a difference? would it make a difference if the person paying the bills of the witnesses is the person being investigated? i think it is probably problematic in both contexts. because what you want to avoid is some sort of obstruction of justice. that the lawyer is persuading the witness not to be as forthcoming as they might otherwise be because they want to please the boss. and so i think in either context it is very problematic. and at its worst, it could be a crime of obstruction of justice. at its best, it is somebody generously paying the legal fees of a person who can t otherwise afford it. but i think it behooves the fact finder, whether it is a judge or, in this case, the members of congress, to make sure that this sees the light of day, that people understand what this relationship is, because i think that transparency is the best way to expose wrongdoing. but to be clear, if i am being deposed, if i am testifying before the committee
state constitutions. republicans argue that the courts have no right to second guess state legislatures when it concerns federal elections. the buck stops with the legislatures, they say. if the supreme court decides this case in the republicans favor next term, state courts would no longer be a check on state lawmakers when it comes to our nation s elections, and that is something to digest for a moment. because, after what we saw on the 2020 election, with states trying to send fake electors to congress, this could lead to catastrophic consequences for our democracy. or at least extreme partisan gerrymandering across the country next time they get the chance. this case is about north carolina, but if the conservative justices rule in favor of the republicans, it could have an outsize impact. because, republicans control both houses of state legislatures in 30 states. what does the future of this conservative court look like?
justice. that the lawyer is persuading the witness not to be as forthcoming as they might otherwise be because they want to please the boss. and so i think in either context it is very problematic. and at its worst, it could be a crime of obstruction of justice. at its best, it is somebody generously paying the legal fees of a person who can t otherwise afford it. but i think it behooves the fact finder, whether it is a judge or, in this case, the members of congress, to make sure that this sees the light of day, that people understand what this relationship is, because i think that transparency is the best way to expose wrongdoing. but to be clear, if i am being deposed, if i am testifying before the committee and i am being represented by a lawyer who is paid for by donald trump s super pac, the lawyer i have has got to represent me in my interests. that is their ethical responsibility as a lawyer. absolutely right, ali. they can t ask you to pull
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