rebecca heinrich senior fellow at the hudson institute. kevin roberts president of the heritage foundation. great to have you both. let me start with you, kevin. make your case on what you think should be done here? we certainly want the ukrainians to win. the problem is as bill pointed out and the poll shows, the american people realize that there is no end in sight. the president of the united states has not offered a plan. vast majority of americans either support just what we ve done or less. they don t support the upcoming bill. ultimately you can believe that the ukrainians should win, which we do. while also realize the germans and french who like to fag their finger at americans and tell us what to do need to pull more of their own weight. there are a lot of challenges at home including an increasing number of emergencies, obviously from the hawaii fire and probably some hurricanes soon. we have to take care of our interests at home before spending more money on ukraine.
political spectrum are opposed to this bill. therefore, dana, we re adamantly opposed to the passage of this $24 billion aid package and should not be tied to emergency aid for hurricanes and fires. that s the typical d.c. swamp game playing hostage with the people s money. bill: big question. rebecca how do you define victory? we want ukrainians to push the russians out and make sure the russians don t gain any territory from february 2022 and make sure the ukrainians have a robust military so it doesn t happen again and the eastern front to succeed again. we want a strong europe. american security for the american people at home is tied to stability in europe. these are dollars well spent. bill: kevin, how do you define victory? it is for lives, precious lives that are being lost to stop being lost today. we believe in peace and we believe it needs to happen
dana: rebecca, you are concerned about interest as home but you have a different point of view. make your case here. we do have a lot of problems at home. we have to hold the line abroad and why we need to have a strong peace through strength foreign policy and the reagan doctrine. you help the countries defending their own national sovereignty. the united states has an interest in making sure we have stability in europe. as a percentage of gdp the united states is ranked 9th in our contributions to ukraine. the united states is the leader of the free world. i would expect the united states as a matter of dollars would be contributing more. what we need now is to pressure the biden administration to come up with a strategy. help ukraine prevail. don t drip aid. give them weapons the push out the russians, stabilize the region and bolster nato s eastern front so we can deal
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joining me live rebecca heinrich, senior fellow which was sanctioned by china for, quote, providing a platform and convenience to the taiwan separatist actives. oh, my, well, let s start with meeting. we have seen meetings with president tsai and the reaction to hold war games. the leadership there says that china s president, jinping has instructed military to be ready for potential invasion by 2027. that is not very far away and being ready doesn t necessarily mean it s going to happen right at the moment but what is your current assessment to have likelihood of china actually moving on taiwan at new point in the near future? first of all, the 2027 date is probably, it could actually