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In man, isnt there something more primal, something innate in man that reaches out to the other, even before he becomes selfconscious about anything around him . Give me an example. Thats a good point. Well, say, an uneducated man, that he would see the sun, and then when we looks around, and he thinks, thats something other than whats around here; that must be something importan im glad you brought that up, because selfconsciousness is a difficult term and it may mean Different Things to different people. I think im saying something more along the line of what youre saying, that whenever it happened 50,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago the first time a human says, im here; theres the sun. That thing from 2001, remember that old movie . I wasnt born then but people told me about it. But, these sort of apelike creatures looking at the monolith and theyre going and then they start beating each other up i dont know what that meant; never did. But yeah, thats more what im talking about its

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