on one man. he is all in. what makes this war so dangerous is that putin knows that he is a great chess player. is a poker player. he has pushed all of his chips into the center of the table and he can t lose. if putin loses, he loses everything. that is a profoundly dangerous position. the war, so far, has taken a massive toll on the people of ukraine. the next stage could be even more brutal. [speaking foreign language] i hope that the worst
finished at we can come back for our country, for mariupol pull. we build the city again. i really hope so. there isn t much to return to in mariupol. the city has been raised to the ground. how many more cities and depth like this? how long this war lasts depends on one man. he is all in. what makes this war so dangerous is that putin knows that he is a great chess player. is a poker player. he has pushed all of his chips into the center of the table and he can t lose. if putin loses, he loses everything. that is a profoundly dangerous position. the war, so far, has taken a massive toll on the people of
like this? how long this war lasts depends on one man. he is all in. what makes this war so dangerous is that putin knows that he is a great chess player. is a poker player. he has pushed all of his chips into the center of the table and he can t lose. if putin loses, he loses everything. that is a profoundly dangerous position. the war, so far, has taken a massive toll on the people of ukraine. the next stage could be even more brutal. but ukraine is a nation of survivors.
there is not much to return to variable. the city has been raised to the ground. how many more cities and up like this, and how long this war lasts, depends on one man. and he is all in. what makes this war so dangerous is that putin everyone says he is a great chess player, he is a poker player, he has pushed all of his chips into the center of the table. and he can t lose. if putin loses, he loses everything. and that is a profoundly dangerous position. the war so far has taken a massive toll on the people of ukraine. the next stage could be even more brutal. but ukraine is a nation of
economy, by the way. it s both. so my own view is, yes, we have to be all in. more weapons, more sanctions. if putin loses, that is great for ukraine, our allies in europe will be reassured, and our friends and allies in asia and the middle east will also be reassured. if he wins, it s the exact opposite. we ll be spending billions and billions of dollars reassuring our nato allies in europe and our partners and allies in the middle east will be nervous, so i think the stakes are high for american national security interests right now. this interview is helping me understand why i could not get jake sullivan or ron klain in the last ten days to say definitively that ukraine has to win this war, that our policy is for them to win this war. they specifically will not commit to that. and you seem to be explaining why. fair? well, i would say two things.