republican conference that we re not even talking about, like, perhaps senator cory gardner of colorado. i don t want to suggest that he s in play, but you know, this is a tough vote for somebody in a swing state like that. let s talk about how the nomination can still be defeated. you ve got heitkamp, who s had the guts to be a profile in courage. now you ve got, it seems to me, with murkowski, if she moves against this nomination, will flake go with her? you know, i m just not sure, chris. i don t know if you can i m not sure if you can go that far. no one has been able to kind of get inside jeff flake s head, because, quite frankly, there was a time when he was a yes. he put out a statement saying, i m going to back kavanaugh after hearing all of this, then he wavered and went into this fbi investigation. the person i spoke to most recently with the most position to know says, you know, nobody is inside his head, know one has any idea what he s going to do. well, one person
against the way the wind is blowing back home. and here s how john f. kennedy described it in his profiles in courage. this prospect, the prospect of forced retirement from the most exclusive club in the world, the possibilities of giving up the interesting work, the fascinating trappings, and the impressive prerogatives of congressional office can cause even the most courageous politician serious loss of sleep. how can you not be impressed right now that senator heidi hydecamp of north dakota declared today she will vote against brett kavanaugh. and senator donnelly of indiana. wouldn t it be wonderful if three other senators would do the same, joe manchin, senator flake. he s shown himself to be a man of conscience by rejecting the behavior of the president and insisting that the fbi be given some time to look at the accusations against kavanaugh. the united states senator does not protect its constitutional
he s facing significant jail time. and so i m not sure that the u.s. government, the justice department gets much more out of sort of an additional count of conviction. i m not sure it s worth it. you need to tell congress the truth. they have an important oversight function, but i don t think he ll be prosecuted for lying to congress. i would like the congressman noted see michael cohen called babbli back and answer a whole bunch of questions because he has more to tell. thank you both for spending some of the hour with us. we re grateful. when we come back, republican leaders give their candidate a longer leash to trash the president. but that doesn t exactly add up to a profile in courage. we ll track the leadership vacuum on the right. stay with us.
and i think that s i submit that without much fear of contradiction. i also think, and, nicolle, you can answer this better than i can. it s certainly fine for us to get trump-ified about this. if president jeb bush. president marco rubio, john case i in the white house, probably would be coming from a list like this. exactly. the difference is there s no suggestion at this point that any one of them would have been under special counsel investigation by robert mueller looking for a supreme court nominee s positions on whether you can or cannot indict a sitting president. i mean i think that s the trumpian wrinkle, right? yeah. and totally legitimate, totally legitimate thing to raise. and they should. and you have some senators here who have a chance to become margaret j. smith, a profile in courage. bob corker should think about it. senator flake should think about it. senator mccain depending on his
citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that s what this campaign is all about. i m joined by mark former s adviser to senator mccain and one of the filmmakers of john mccain for whom the bell tolls. mark, thank you for coming on. you must be so proud of john for that moment. i was there. it was quite a moment. but very. he was trying to win the presidency. that was not going to help him. he was. we were having a rough go after that. that was after lehman brothers. we were fighting hard to win. he lives by an honor code and that was an example of it. well, he s a profile in courage. teddy, tell us about the movie. i watched it today. it s on hbo. anybody who s got hbo can watch it. i was wondering for how you were able to get him to sit for all this time. i love the pacing. but the beauty of yours is it s