bill, thank you so much for joining us. i think i actually want to start there because throughout the course of this weekend and in the days since, i have constantly wondered when is the crack down happening. there s no way that yevgeniy prigozhin can be allowed to just go to belarus or go to africa or wherever he might want to go. that seems like an inevitability. is it? yeah. basically putin can t stand he can t tolerate being disrespected. this is the psychology of russian leadership is like the psychology of a prison yard. in order for putin to have been the leader for 23 years, he s had to be the seem to be the meanest guy in the prison yard the one that would cause damage to anybody who even looked at him the wrong way. and yevgeniy prigozhin didn t just look at him the wrong way, he disrespected him in the most massive, humiliating way. it s not just a question of what happens to prigozhin but what happens to all the other people
for now, at least, his main opponents are in exile or in prison. so what happens next? bill browder is an anti corruption activist and author, and putin critic. i spoke with him earlier bill, welcome to the programme. after a startling 2a hour is in russia, what do you think i m sex for president putin? putin comes out sex for president putin? putin comes out of sex for president putin? putin comes out of this sex for president putin? putin comes out of this whole - sex for president putin? putin comes out of this whole mess| comes out of this whole mess looking much weaker than he did going into it 48 hours ago and thatis going into it 48 hours ago and that is a real problem for him. that kind of weakness will attract other people do have a go at him, to challenge his authority and to potentially try to do the same thing, so from a putin s perspective, he needs to be the meanest guy in the prison yard. he needs to show his teeth. he needs to show his teeth. he needs to show that
welcome to the programme. after a startling 24 hours in russia, what do you think full president putin? putin comes out of this whole mess looking much weaker than he did going into it 48 hours ago and that is a real problem for him. that kind of weakness will attract other people do have a go at him, to challenge his authority and to potentially try to do the same thing, so from putin s perspective, he needs to be what i call the meanest guy in the prison yard. he needs to show his teeth. he needs to show that he can be more brutal than anyone else, and what that means is he is going to start rounding up anybody that he thinks is disloyal, anyone who isn t completely on his side,
unless he has other people on side. i think putin probably got to those people biggest show of disrespect can you imagine. russia is like a prison yard. putin has survived as head of the yard by going and shanking a few people at the very beginning and glaring at everybody ever since. now all of a sudden the head of the prison yard is not so tough. that s putin s problem is right now. other people do the shanking he dots arguing. we watched him it run to st. petersburg when things got tough. that s not the sign of a tough guy. bill browder thank you very much. very few like did you as it full display for the world to see. carley shimkus has more. carley: more news back here at home. heated moment in seattle as a preacher attempts to read from the bible in a middle of a pride