consultation with the border patrol and i.c.e. and the national counterterrorism center and the state department. it tells us that the national security justification for the whole ban, the setting up of extreme vetting is bull pucky in national security terms. there s nothing they can set up at the border to tell you years down the road who might become a completely and different and radical and violent person years from now because they haven t been radicalized yet so this tells us substantively, in terms of the substance of the matter that the intelligence community thinks the muslim ban is nuts. the sbem jebs community on national security ground thinks the muslim ban and whole justification for it is cuckoo. because we have to be realistic about the politics here, though, it s also worth talking about why we got this. i m like i m not like sherlock homes.
i m not some incredible sleuth that s like hacked this somewhe somewhere. somebody wanted me to have this. and that also tells us something. that tells us that people inside the government, people who have access to intelligence documents like this, they want this to be known. they want it on tv. they want this out so no matter what the administration says about what they re doing and why we can see what the career intelligence people actually think about what this government is doing before presumably they submarine this stuff. i know there s a lot going on. we re going to be talking about the sessions recusal and there s a lot going on but in terms of what this administration is doing, one of the only things they ve tried to do is this muslim ban and it s a disaster. even if you agree with it, it s a disaster. and when the court shut it down they said they would issue a new
the union-ish speech and they didn t want to put out the new muslim ban the following day because they wanted to give the speech room to breathe a little. literally they told us that. remarkable sense of urgency on what s supposed to be an important matter of national security, right? we ll put this off for the day. we like the way the speech is breathing. the respiration of the speech is very satisfying to us. well, now, it s thursday. where s the muslim ban? the latest word from the white house is i know we said we d let it way a day so that would be thursday but it s not coming today or tomorrow. maybe we ll have a new muslim ban by next week, maybe. here s the thing, this is one of the only things they ve tried to do in terms of policy, notice how it s fallen apart, not gone anywhere? here s the thing, they do have a problem here and i can show you that problem. we have just obtained this
maybe that s because the rationale for the ban is falling apart, even from inside their own government. joining me is the deputy director of the immigrants rights project at the alcu. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. you got a chance to look at this. i have. i know you haven t had a lot of time with it. are you surprised to hear this argument from career intelligence officials? i am and i am not. we went into court and we had declarations from former intelligence people, high-ranking in both administrations saying, look, this is not going to make us safer. in fact, it may make us less safe. we went to court with that and the courts said that s
when the president will sign a new version of that ban. maybe that s because the rationale for the ban is falling apart, even from inside their own government. joining me is the deputy director of the immigrants rights project at the alcu. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. you got a chance to look at this. i have. i know you haven t had a lot of time with it. are you surprised to hear this argument from career intelligence officials? i am and i am not. we went into court and we had declarations from former intelligence people, high-ranking in both administrations saying, look, this is not going to make us safer. in fact, it may make us less safe. we went to court with that and the courts said that s interesting and turned to the government and said where is your evidence? the government said, we don t have any evidence. now it turns out, not only do they not have any evidence but their own intelligence officials are saying, no, this ban won t work. it s like bot