nodded? he heard what i said. and didn t respond in any way? i don t recall any substantive response. you never specifically referenced the bidens or burisma in that meeting, did you? i don t remember ever mentioning the bidens. i may have mentioned burisma. that meeting was with a group, you are not alone with vice president pence come is that correct? that is right. you know that at the bilateral meeting with president zelensky you testified earlier that vice president pence did not mention these investigations at all, right? i don t recall him mentioning the investigations. your testimony is simple glee in a premeeting a group of americans before the bilateral meeting, you referenced the fact that ukraine needed to do these investigations in order to lift the aide. i think i referenced, i didn t say ukraine had to do the investigations i think we said
nodded? he heard what i said. and didn t respond in any way?re wa i don t recall any substantive response. but you never specifically referenced the bidens or burisma in that meeting, did you? i don t remember ever mentioning the bidens. i may have mentioned burisma. and that meeting was with a group, you werein not alone wit vice president pence? that s right. and you know that at that bilateral meeting with president zelensky, i believein you testified earlier that vice president pence did not mention these investigations at all, right? i don t recall him mentioning the investigations. so your testimony is just simply in a pre-meeting with a group of americans before the bilateral meeting, you referenced the fact that ukraine needed to do these investigations in order to lift the aid?
statements aboutnt burisma and e 2016 election. but what was being held up? the aid was being held up, obviously. four days later you said in your opening statement that you sentur rudy giuliani s contact information to john bolton, is that right? i did. did you know why he asked for that? no idea. did you know that he was going to ukraine the next day? i knew he was about to go to ukraine. i didn t know exactly when his tripdi was. but i thought it was kind ofip odd w request given that the whe house can pretty much getgi anyone s phoneuc number they wa. now, in this email to secretary pompeo you reference a tripet to warsaw. ultimately the vice president went on that trip? that s correct. and that was the conversation that you talked about, or you testified earlier to, where you said that we really need to get these investigations from ukraine in order toro release t aid in the pre-meeting? that s right. and vice president pence just
personages in eastern europe that could be of interest to this investigation. how interested do you think robert mueller is in that meeting still? oh, absolutely. remember, robert mueller is looking at obstruction. not only is there conspiracy with the trump campaign, with the russians to influence the outcome of that presidential election, but was there obstruction of justice that happened after the fact? we know that there was a false statement released by trump from air force one concerning the nature of that meeting at the trump tower in june of 2016. we were told that it had to do with russian adoption. later on we found an e-mail chain implicating trump junior and it clearly said they had dirt on hillary clinton. that s exactly what that meeting was supposed to be about. paul manafort, we should call him the russian whisperer. he has exceptional ties and knowledge when it comes to the ukraine and russia and he s the guy who is going to be able to tell mueller exactly why that m