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funds for my businesses. and i have been fully transparent in providing all requested information. joining me now jeremy bash former chief of staff at d.o.d. and cia and importantly former chief counsel for the house intel committee and the former u.s. ambassador to russia during the obama administration. veteran diplomat mike mcfall. guys, i m going to do this as rounds of questions like a committee. first round to both of you starting with you, jeremy. that wording he just used there and elsewhere in the statement. what was important to you today about his wording and what words weren t in there, perhaps? well, it depends on the definition of colluding. i think an important question that bob mueller will ask and that congressional investigators will ask is did anybody in the senior levels of the trump campaign know the russian government was seeking to intercede and help the trump campaign? obviously the nation knew that as of october 7th. that was the date that of course
they need to do this because they promised they were going to do it, not because they need to appease donald trump. jason, this is another way that this presidency upends the rules. when you re trying to get something passed on the hill you go out on the road and you talk to the customers and you sell it to them. he has not taken that ownership and listen to who s missing in our conversation and he err woo guilty of this too often, we re not talking about the customers, the anxiety in states like arizona, what s going to happen to our health care premiums, to our availability? you know it s two years ago at this point obama has a townhall. he goes to ohio. he answers questions. the number one salesperson in this country right now should be donald trump and he is failing. he s hiding up in the bleachers like two muppets just making fun of his own party rather than being out there shake hands and making people feel safe and secure. he doesn t vuft have to sell this to the american pu
tough son of a gun or what? yeah, he is. i m going to close the show tonight with some of the best comparisons i ve heard on how tough he is. so. yeah. and you know, even though i m not a republican, i worked during my political time primarily with gop candidates. you know what? this kind of makes sense because donald trump is kind of a johnny come lately republican. he garnered a lot of his support from people who were really truly populists. and i think he s hoping to draw on his base to get them to push republicans, who by the way shouldn t be doing this to appease donald trump, they should be doing this to appease voters. they promised voters this for years and years and years. they said they were going to repeal and replace obamacare, and now they don t seem to be able to do it. they did it in 2015. they took this same vote in 2015. but they did that knowing that president obama at the time was not going to sign this. so you know, they need to do this for the voters.
the political chatter and focus on the domestic agenda. but i ve got to tell you, but historical standards, by this point obama s stimulus had already been passed, president trump is rate slow on obamacare, pretty slow on repealing obamacare, pretty slow on tax reform, and there s a lot of disarray inside the republican party on capitol hill. well, now here i have to tiptoe. [laughter] we re not talking republicans and democrats opposed to trump. we re talking establishment versus trump. trump considered to be an outsider. the establishment doesn t want any part of trump, they don t want him to succeed, and i would throw some republicans in that as well. it s just the way washington works. and this is why i think moving forward on this agenda is crucial. you mentioned obama s stimulus. here s the difference, and this is what trump s supporters know: it wasn t a stimulus. it was a payoff to unions, chris. it didn t stimulate anything. we don t have a growing economy.
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