that s, she s in charge of this courtroom. i think she wants to make that very clear going forward. she is someone who has been tough on some of these other january six defendants, and several defendants have been sentenced to longer sentences and the government suggested. in her courtroom, she s made clear that january six was a major event. i also found it interesting given her background as a public defender. she is definitely emphasized how privileged some of the defendants coming in for january six have been, compared individual she had represented. who had a much more difficult life. that s been a really interesting background that judge chutkan has brought to the courtroom. brian riley, thank you so much. with me now is tim o brien, the senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion. and also the host of the podcast crash course, an msnbc political analyst. also joining us is noah brooke find, our president and ceo of