court has seen so far. interesting. john, hobby lobby insists that is not about abortion politics but religious freedom. catholic bishops also object to the mandate. is hobby lobby the same as the catholic church, though? no. the green family that runs hobby lobby are evangelical christians, not catholics. this isn t primarily about contraception but primarily about religious freedom. this is a broad cross-section that believe religious freedom is being eroded. that s what makes this case so difficult and why it ended up in the courts rather than being resolved politically. on both sides, because on the other side of course, carol, some see the case about the separation of church and state and public policy not being held hostage to religious dogmas. both sides have a broader
not at all. i m saying if this game goes on and it is played, i would expect, my guess, my prediction is that we would see a draw because you re not going to have coaches that want to put their top players out there, want them to play as strong or as forcefully because when the pitch is really wet, when it s not as firm, it becomes a little dangerous. the footing for players isn t as great so why would germany risk that? their goal is to win the world cup, not just to win this game, that benefits the usa. all they need is a draw to get through. so rachel, you see why soccer may not catch on after this, because it s all so confusing. well we talked about this yesterday. there s all kinds of factors here, but i think it s easy for american fans to follow. the u.s. team just needs to tie to get in. they could win to get in. they could even lose to get in today, which is pretty amazing, and the connections between this u.s. and german team is partly what makes this game so fascinating.
hopefully it s held up pretty good. this is a newly constructed stadium so the drainage systems should be good. however, if the pitch is not in good shape this could work in the usa s favor because all the usa needs is a draw. all germany needs is a draw in order to progress. now, that being the case, when the pitch isn t that great, a lot of players, they don t really find their footing all that well. they don t want to be at risk of injury. their coach does not want them to be at risk of injury. you don t go out there necessarily and play as hard as you would. you don t want to risk that. the goal is to make it to the world cup final to win the world cup, not just to win any one game, so that would really play to the usa s advantage because all they need here is a draw to definitely move forward, carol. so if the game is canceled and both coaches agree that s a draw, in essence, is that what you re saying? reporter: no, no.