Transatlantic flights, long haul flights, you ll have crm, or cockpit or crew resource management where everybody has a role in the operation. for example, you have these are the terms, pilot flying. in this case, was the first officer that you just described. then you have the pilot monitoring who is, in this case, the captain. and then you have the relief flight officer who is a very experienced aviator who is sitting in the jump seat watching the operation. so you have all these people coordinate to go do this. what happened was there was a breakdown in that coordination, in that crm and all of a sudden, you have a situation where you re in a decelerating situation, you re at low altitude. the nose keeps getting cocked up, cocked up, and the stick shaker going off is the last thing where that thing is trying to shake you awake to say hey, you re about to stall. they saw the ground coming up, pulled it, smacked the round