discussions. my gut tells me no. i m seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight. i haven t talked to him in a couple days. from what i know of him, i mean, you guys know him too. do you think he d ever back away? what i m going to do is i m going to call him. this is what i think. we know that it ll pass the house, i think there s a chance it will pass the senate even when he s gone. and i think there s a lot of different ramifications for that. now, i have isn t had a discussion with the demes that if he did resign, if that happened, now, this is one personal fear i have. i do not want to get into any conversation about pence pardoning. again, the only discussion i
fear. i don t want to get into conversations about vice president pence pardoning. that captures why the committee wants to speak to mccarthy because he was legitimately worried that trump would leave getting a pardon for criminal acts and almost insinuates that that the former president committed criminal act there is. so i think the timing of the tape is bad timing for a number of reasons and reinforces why the committee wants to talk to people like mccarthy, jim jordan and those showing act faces than they were in the days after the january 6, 2021, insurrection. it does more than insinuate. looking at the trump pardons. putting the history of presidential pardons aside.
different ramifications for that. i haven t had a discussion with the dems that if he did resign would that happen? this is one personal fear i have. i do not want do get in any conversations about pence pardoning. again the only discussion i would have with him is that i think this will pass. and it would be my recommendation you should resign. that would be my take but i don t think he ll take it but i don t know. let s bring in the panel. jackie is a congressional investigations reporter for the washington post. also with us former acting solicitor and legal adviser neal katyal is here and miles taylor is here. before we dive into the extraordinary content of the tapes we have to stop i think
resign immediately in a call with liz cheney according to audio given by the times to the rachel maddow show. i m here. i guess there s a question, when we were talking about the 25th amendment resolution yeah and you asked if you know, what happens if it gets there after he s gone, is there any chance that you re hearing that he might resign? is there any reason to think that might happen? i ve had a few discussions. my gut tells me no. i m seriously thinking of having that conversation with him tonight. i haven t talked to him in a couple days. i do not want to get in any conversation about pence pardoning, again, a discussion i had with him is i think this will pass. it will be my recommendation he
great skeptd schism and painted an alternate reality to hear mccarthy on tape to say this. this is a perhap fear i have. i don t want to get into conversation about pence pardoning. again, the only discussion to have with him is that i think this will pass meaning the 25th amendment resolution or impeachment resolution and it would be my recommendation you donald trump should resign. i don t think he would take it. do you view the acknowledgement that an assumption is made that pence would have to pardon him after he resigns and the criminal conduct? certainly i think any time someone talks about pardon there s implied criminal conduct. can t read the words of what he meant by this will pass. my impression is if he resigns