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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:59:00

And hopeful. my dad can actually go out to eat now, so we ve been going out to restaurants. he came with me to my dentist s appointment because he hasn t been able to do that in a really long time. it s awkward because i m 20. he s just trying to make up for the lost 4 1/2 years. yeah. now, said david, rachel, and heidi, they re hoping the state will solve their mom s murder. i obviously hope that they do catch whoever did it, but i wouldn t be surprised if they don t. what s going to happen to the family? i think all of us want to move out of bloomington. yeah. that s for sure. something else. after all the trauma, these three are, by the look of it, fine. it s because, they said, they had a wonderful mother, pam zimmerman. you three have all done pretty well so far. what would she think about where you are in life and what you ve accomplished? i think she d be incredibly

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:24:00

Something very interesting about pam s new fiancee. they spent at fair amount of time checking into who he had been communicating with. sure. and he had at least two other women that he had been involved with and he was still having some pretty heavy amount of contact with. pam s kids didn t know anything about that but they did get a weird vibe from the fiancee after their mother s death. he said, i had nothing to do with it. you need to understand, i have to move on. excuse me? a week after that, he sat us down. did you ask him if he had something to do with it? no, he didn t have anything to do with that. two months later, he was dating somebody new. we thought it was suspicious. they felt the mother s death was somehow tied to her

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:37:00

Fed-exed kirk a demand to pay close to $4,000 in expenses for the kids or else. she was giving him five days to pay it or she was going to take him back to court. oh, office manager ina said pam told her she was truly afraid of kirk. i just warned her, she worked late at night, make sure she went out the front door where all the lights were on and make sure that she was always cautious. money. the root of all evil? something else they found, what was that tell-tale residue in kirk s car? it was enough. on a summer morning eight months after pam zimmerman s death, a cop turned on his squad car lights and sirens, pulled over a motorist, read him, his rights, kirk zimmerman was under arrest for murder. coming up. greed, hate, murder.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:04:00

Account. i looked where the iphone was, i saw it wasn t at her office, it was in a weird location. i convinced myself she was at a client s house because that was my excuse at the time for why she wasn t home. still, their mom was the center of their universe, they told themselves they d be laughing about this later or they d be relieved, anyway. we said, let s just get ready for school, keep on with our day. she ll be home when we get home? yeah. same time, same morning, two doors down the streets, one of pam s friend julie was still in her pajamas. my home phone ranks. which is odd, it never rings that early. it hardly rings anyway. i m one of the rare people that still have a home phone. so i picked it up, it was scott. he lived a few hours away fear chicago. he was her fiancee. he

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20220212 10:36:00

Raised eyebrows but worked out for him. police confirmed he had been miles away when his fiancee died phoning and texting two other women. what is it about the men in the story? both of the men had to make some pretty embarrassing admissions. who was it said no secrets in a murder investigation? exactly. they both had to admit that they had been messing around. but kirk? not so easy to clear him. so police followed the money and they heard things, different things from what his kids and brother said about the divorce, like a simmering resentment that pam got the house after the divorce and most important more money from him. he had a goal in his 20s. it got all messed up. the dispute at the moment, days before pam was killed, pam

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