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had talent, particular talent? when did i know i had talent? i think it started probably when i was when i first started playing sports, organized sports. i played football for a team called the east dragons on the east side of town. we had we only had six regular season games. and in six games i played tail back. and i had 18 touchdowns in six games. that s when i knew i had some athletic ability. larry: how about the first time on a basketball court? the first time on the basketball court was later on that year. football season is always before basketball. so i played in my first recreation league, i played for the summer league hornets where i grew up playing basketball in 8 to 10 league. i was 9 years old and we won a championship. and i was one of the best players on the team then. it was pretty fun. i was able to win a championship in football and basketball in the same year. larry: so your high hopes were warranted? for the most part. larry: but you had a tough c

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