between the president and the vice president, is that correct? yes. when i entered the office the second time he was on the telephone with who i later out to found out to be the vice president. could you hear the vice president or only hear the president s end? only hear the president s end. at some point it started off as a calmer tone and became heated. the conversation was pretty heated. did you hear any part of the phone call even just the end that the president was speaking from? i did, yes. all right. what did you hear? as i was dropping off the note, my memory, i remember hearing the word, wimp. he called him a wimp. i remember he said, you are a wimp. you ll be a wimp. wimp is the word i remember. it s also been reported that the president said to the vice president, that something to the effect that you don t have the courage to make a hard decision. something like that. like you re not tough enough to make the call. something to the effect th
ground work that it may be criminal. there s really two aspects to the argument. one eastman s theory was not just wrong but outrageous, ridiculous, absurd and danls. they showed that eastman knew it. he admitted i know this is loser. i know this won t win. i think the argument the committee is trying to make is that would be criminal. even after the insurrection, east man continued to pressure the former vice president to over turn the election. listen to this and we ll discuss. what was vice president pence reaction when you showed him the e-mail after the attack on the capitol still asked the vice president delay certification and send it back to states. he said, that s rubber room