That it indicated to you that he had been prepped for the call, to expect this issue to come up. What led you to that conclusion . It seemed unlikely that he would be familiar with a Single Company in the context of a call that had that was on the broader bilateral relationship, and it seemed to me that he was either tracking this issue because it was in the press or he was otherwise prepped. Mr. Goldman. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Good morning to both of you. Good morning. On july 25th at approximately 9 00 a. M. You both were sitting in the situation room, probably not too much further away than you are right now, and you were preparing for a longawaited phone call between President Trump and president zelensky. Now, Colonel Vindman, in advance
of this phone call, did you prepare Talking Points as you did for the april 21st call . Yes, i did. What were those Talking Points based upon . They were so this is not in the Public Record and i cant comment to deeply, but what is the areas tha
Was the white house visit in return for the 2016 dnc server and burisma investigation. When you heard burisma, you did not see that as code for biden, the bidens . I did not. When did you even know that . Is it your testimony that you only realized that burisma included the bidens when the readout came out . No, i really dont recall the date. It was very late in the game, though. September . I dont recall the date. So if i told you that the Legal Definition of bribery was an event of offering, giving, soliciting or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing an action of an individual holding a public or legal duty, do you believe that not only was it quid pro quo, but it was bribery . Im not a lawyer and im not going to characterize what
something was or wasnt legally. You also said in your Opening Statement that Secretary Perry and yourself as well as Ambassador Volker worked with giuliani on the ukraine matter at Express Direction of the president , is that right . That
Wt is the full extent cleared away. Chuck rosenberg. Of the democrats prior senator mccains former coordination with the whistleblower, and who else did colleague, jeff flake, retired the whistleblower coordinate senator from arizona, surmised this effort with . That if a secret impeachment second, what is the full extent vote were held, 3035 of the of ukraines Election Meddling Senate republican members would against the Trump Campaign . Vote to impeach. And i thought how sad, how sad, and third, why did burisma hire that it takes a secret vote to hunter biden, and what did he do for them, and did his position make a courageous vote. Affect any u. S. Government actions under the obama it should be 3035 if they administration . These questions will remain believe thats the right thing to do. I know im sounding naive, but i outstanding because republicans were denied the right to call witnesses that know these remember being saddened by that. I feel the same way. Answers. What we will w
President , correct . Its appropriate for the Justice Department and the Prosecutor General to cooperate and to exchange information, yes. But to the extent that the president has concerns and to the extent that the Attorney General is having u. S. Attorney durham look into it, isnt it entirely appropriate for the president to flag this for president zelensky and say that you should be in touch with our official channels . Mr. Castor, i dont know the precise appropriateness of these kind of relations. Now, were you involved, either of you involved with the preparation for the 7 25 call . I was not. I was not. And how do you account for that . I mean, you were the two of the key officials with responsibility for ukrainian policy. If the president of the United States is going to have a call with the leader of the ukraine, why wouldnt
you ordinarily be involved with preparation . Sir, we work for the Department Of State in an embassy overseas and in preparation for a president ial phone
Government and the Justice Department, thats the perfect way to raise an issue with the ukrainian president , correct . It is appropriate for the Justice Department and the prosecutor again to cooperate and exchange information, yes. To the extent the president had concerns and the Attorney General is having u. S. Attorney durham looking into that. Is that entirely appropriate for the president to flag this for should be in touch with our official challenge . I dont know the precise appropriateness of these kinds of relations. Now, were you involved, either of you involved in the preparation for the 7 25 call . I was not. I was not. How do you account for that . I mean you were the two officials responsibility with ukrainian policies. If the president of the united
states having a call with the leader of ukraine, why would you not ordinarily be involved with the preparations. In preparations for a president ial phone call that lies within staff of the National Security council. If ther