suggest that we were going to get rid of that memo? they haven t, not as far as i m aware. they have not yet. the point is that we have one out of checks and guardrails and remedies against a president that misbehaves. at the last seven years, if they are not a living demonstration of, that i don t know what else we need. but michael, as we discussed at the top of the show, trump will face five trials between now and next november. that doesn t include the indictments that we are waiting on in relation to the 2020 election. from jack smith, and from fani willis. in georgia, the guy is going to be interrupting presidential debate and campaign rallies to go and sit in court in multiple different parts of the country. i want to ask you, is there time in our history where a presidential campaign was so turned upside down? can you think prior to 2024, what was the most chaotic presidential campaign we ve had in this country? well, chaotic you can talk
good evening. i am mehdi hasan. have you heard of the rosemary woods stretch? it is named after this woman, rosemary woods. the longtime secretary of richard nixon. woods became her career with nixon in 1950, went long before his time with the white house. she was so close to the family the nixon s daughters referred to her as aunt rose. in 1974, route woods was thrust into the national spotlight during the watergate scandal when investigators discovered a mysterious 18 and a half gap on one of the tapes handed over from the nixon white house. the tape was believed to contain a conversation between president nixon and his chief of staff three days after the watergate break-in. woods took responsibility for that gap. she tried to explain it away as an accident. as she tells, it she was simply transcribing the tape at her desk when the phone rang. as she reached for the phone, she mistakenly struck the wrong key on the recorder while her foot was on the machines pedal. the motion ended u
beyond doubt. even if we learn nothing more than what we know tonight. compared to nixon. nixon obstructed justice, abused power. if he admitted pardoned by gerald ford, there is a very good chance that nixon would ve been the first president, ex president to be sent to prison. in trump s case, he did those things and so much more. almost brought down our democracy on the 6th of january. he kept classified documents about the most sensitive defense secrets in our nation s arsenal, if you are i had done that, mehdi, we would not be on tv tonight. we would be in jail. but these are things that he has done and more that go way beyond, and also threaten the rule of law in our country and our future as a country democracy. see you are a historian of presidents, of this country. the founding fathers that came out with the constitution, their vision of america.
go to defend a corrupt bosses actions. and yet, today, the defense is way beyond and let s listen to foxes greg got filed, and listen to what he had to say about the superseding indictment. surveillance cameras? what s wrong with that? what s wrong with that? are those yours? why can t you clear them? i don t understand that. jill, at least nixon s defenders didn t say he was fine to delete the tape. they had the decency to claim it was accidental. yes. you cannot delete anything that has been subpoenaed. they were on notice of the subpoena two days before it got there. the attempt happened in the consequences of the request for the documents. once they are subpoenaed, it is obstruction of justice to tamper with them, or to attempt to tamper with them. let s keep in mind that the attempt is just as much of a crime as the success. there is no question from what we are reading that that is
i have to ask, can american democracy really survive a presidential election campaign in which one of the major party candidates is in the midst of so many criminal trials? what does it say about our two major parties that regardless of all of this, they are still on course to nominate for president a man that in the words of chris christie, is a one man crime wave. let s discuss all of this with david anderson, a civil rights attorney and former prosecutor. he is also a cnbc contributor. glenn kershner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. and jill wine-banks, a former assistant to watergate special prosecutor. legal analyst of the co-host of #sistersinlaw podcast. thank you all for coming back on the show. jill, i will start with you. how big of a deal is this superseding indictment that we have on thursday? it is a very big deal because the obstruction that is laid out there is so awful, and it s so ridiculous, and it s so well documented, that it really puts a diffe