and doing what is basically an entertainment show. they have plenty of news. it has in the first half hour. the last hour and a half is all books and cooking and celebrities. okay. and oprah winfrey is a television personality. she was a former newswoman but no, i wouldn t put those in the category. don t say look at the success of these women. using them as examples of course. yes but they are not hard news people like i was, okay? that wanted to cover stories and wanteded to anchor the news. it is not unusual to see a lester holt or sol dad o brien on the air the way it was when you started. is that progress? weekends, infrequently. for soledad. no, i don t think it s progress. i think we ve gone backwards. there is nobody saying oh, my, we really need to get more african-americans on the air.