those are two remarkably different things. and also, one of the things i should point out about chairman turner s comments, if that should apply to mike pence, who the justice department said they would not pursue charges against. he didn t know enough about the case to put it in the same vein. what s interesting about this, the chairman s comments are not that much different than what we have heard from other republicans but he has been very quiet about this up until this point, and the intel committee on the house side has worked very hard to work in a bipartisan fashion and that was a little bit different than what we heard from the chairman today. when you talk about it in generalities, i think it s easy to make comparisons. when you get into the details, these cases appear to be vastly different. ryan nobles, thank you very much. and joining me now is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. also punch bowl news cofounder and msnbc political contributor, jake sherman. gentlemen
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news cofounder and nbc news political contributor jake sherman. good to have you. you have the federal reserve and the white house both saying there s no alternative to congress acting to limit the government s borrowing limit. is that how congress sees it? is anyone preparing for the white house using executive action with the 14th amendment? reporter: they keep saying no, but let s lay out what the facts are. today is may 4th. the government runs out of money on borrowing authority on june 1st. this is not a calculation that will shift much because the people who make this calculation is treasury, so all the folks saying, well, maybe we can last until july, that s not really operative at this point, and the two positions are in direct conflict, mccarthy will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor. the white house is taken to saying they could do it at any time. biden could build the wall at any time. right? anybody could do anything at any
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the u.s. government stance is not to take a position, meaning there s no official recognition of taiwan s independence however, before the meeting even began, house speaker kevin mccarthy may have already upset china referring to taiwan as an independent country. i m going to sit down with the president of taiwan, make our relationship stronger as we go through they believe in freedom. joining me now from the reagan library, that is where speaker mccarthy and president tsai are meeting and we have erin mclaughlin, courtney kube, and punch bowl news cofounder and msnbc political contributor jake sherman. welcome to all three of you. first to you, erin, what is the significance of meeting on u.s. soil reporter: this is a contentious moment, and that s evidenced by the dueling
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piers morgan, desantis is hitting back saying at the end of the day as a leader, you really want to look to people like our founding fathers. it s not saying you don t ever make a mistake in your personal life, but i think what type of character are you bringing. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, and punch bowl news cofounder, and msnbc political contributor, jake sherman. talk to us about what ron desantis is now publicly saying. kind of a big deal, no? it s kind of a big deal but you and i have watched how folks on the republican side have tried to take on trump without taking on trump, and certainly that s what every single republican contender in the 2024 field, both official and not officially in yet are trying to figure out how to do. for desantis, it s clear that he s opening up a new line of attacks, if not directly going at trump, at least differentiating with him on
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