people refuse to live up to their commitments and pay their fair share. so if a commitment between the united states and nato or between the united states and france and germany can be ruined with one man, if you believe david axelrod there, it s not a real commitment. we know it goes beyond that. we know this is the ties between our two people. we have to really ask ourselves whenever you are in the middle of seeing china, the chinese communist party destroy autonomy and freedom and democracy in hong kong, when you re seeing them commit genocide and during the middle of that you push for a stronger trade deal between the two of them we had a trade deal in the united states that president trump inked. we were still incredibly aggressive on these policies against them. it s going to be, martha, i think the indopacific countries, the countries like australia, the countries like vietnam, those that neighbor china. india understands what it is
bigger question of the focus today? yeah, thanks for having me today. yeah, i was a little bit surprised by what they were saying there. i think cyber will be critical going into the future. i think the threat that you face from china is going to continue to increase with a very aggressive activity out there. really as a central threat we face is russia. i don t consider them to be a major threat in the sense of nato. china is the country that continues to grow. we had a relationship with kim jong-un. but with the recent cyber attacks especially the ransomware attacks that were focused on crypto infrastructure is the way of the future. we have to pay attention to that. martha: christopher ray
about $6.1 trillion out there. we need to look at the impact we ll have on critical infrastructure. here s where we need to go, i believe. those attacks are coming out of poor countries. coming out of russia, iran, coming out of north korea and coming out of china. we need to take a path that looks at two things. one, we need to have a good public and private relationship to hard den and fortify our infrastructure. the second we need to have a declaratory policy that needs to come from the president that tells those countries, let s say russia, that if you attack our critical infrastructure, we re going to respond in kind. there s an opportunity this week coming up with president biden and talking to putin where in geneva, he needs to tell putin, that if something comes out of your area, out of russia, that attacks our critical infrastructure, we will respond in kind. i don t think he can do that.
thank you. martha: yesterday as president biden made his way, he said it s clear to putin and china that europe and the united states are tight and the g-7 will move. is that true? is that your assessment of the way things will work? no. i wish it was true. i commend the president for trying to continue the policies from the trump administration from mike pompeo as it relates to china. there s been bipartisan consensus on china. while we ve been critical to their policies to iran and the middle east and israel, it s positive they re moving forward. but there s dangerous things are going on in our coalition. germany has been at the forefront of an eu trade deal and trying to improve tried ties between eu and china. merkel has been very active and been the main leader pushing for this. when you like at macron, the leader of france, he s said he doesn t want to join the united states i m paraphrasing on
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