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for the world. we have one set of laws in this country, and they apply to everyone. applying those laws, collecting facts, that is what determines the outcome of an investigation. nothing more, nothing less. a reminder of the incredibly serious charges facing donald trump when he is due in court on tuesday. i ve read the indictment you ve read the indictment, the 37 felony accounts, 31 for violating the espionage act, which this, what we re talking about, is a matter of social security at risk. nation secrets, warplanes, kept inboxes. spaces like a bathroom and support and a ballroom at mar-a-lago for events and gatherings took place. joining us now from north carolina, nbc s blaine alexander. blaine, talk to us about trump s reaction today on the campaign trail and give us a sense of how republicans are
as far as evidence goes, it is very very powerful. general hertling, you have been involved in pentagon war planning. you know how classified documents like this are supposed to be handled. i don t know the contents of this document, but if it s about potential u.s. plans, what an invasion of iran would look like, it seems like it would be pretty important material. what do you make of what the former president allegedly did here? it seems pretty important. what andrew and elliott can talk about the criminality and the legal implications of all this, what i m concerned about is the national security implications. there are reasons why we have stiff penalties, and there are reasons why we have strict laws on these kind of things, because it gives away our nation secrets. i would suspect that if there was a four page document that it was not a war plan. those things come in big binders with a lot of annexes. what i suspect this probably was was communication between chairman milley a
because if indeed, there was going to be some kind of automatic declassification, the agencies at the federal government would need to know what that is, so that the next morning, when a free information act request is post, or a member of the public asks for information, they would have the ability to look at a logbook, as has been done historically for decades, and say, yes, this piece of paper was declassified, or still remains classified. and if we simply have a system where, at the whim of someone, a piece of paper might or might not be subject to that, and we have no way of knowing, we can t tell afterwards, we re not gonna have a defective way of safeguarding our nation secrets. you don t have to apologize for giving silly samples. it is a silly proposition, so you don t have any option other than silly examples to suggest. let me read you a passage from the atlantic, that grandma would has written about his understanding about how big the presidential power is here. he says,
of safeguarding our nation secrets. you don t have to apologize for giving silly samples. it is a silly proposition, so you don t have any option other than silly examples to suggest. let me read you a passage from the atlantic that graham wood has written about his understanding about how big the presidential power is here. he says, it would not have had to file paperwork, just utter the magic words. he told me, he is citing a former director of the security oversight office saying that. he could have waved his hand over the u-haul trailer, as it headed out of the white house driveway, and down i-95 towards florida, and there would ve been no classified material in there to mishandle. what s your reaction to that description? i just don t think that makes sense. we ve got a system where we have to keep track of the nation secrets, and it can t possibly be the case that