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Transcripts For BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240704

Does it feel that way to you . Yes, stephen. Its been like that for a while, ever since i was out of power 1a months, 15 months ago. What was hoped by the establishment which removed me, what they hoped was that the party would just fizzle away. And normally it happens when youre out of power, youre out of power for quite a while. But instead, what happened . The most unusual thing in this country that the partys popularity kept growing, and that in the by elections that took place, out of 37 by elections, my party swept 30 of them. And this is despite the establishment backing the government parties. So since then, attempts are being made to knock me out of the game. I had two Assassination Attempts on me. And apart from that, now i have close to my double century almost 200 cases. And the whole attempt is to either imprison me or disqualify me or both. Yeah, you talk about being knocked out of the game. Isnt the reality, now that there are these pretty much 200 cases against you, whi

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 15:49:00

the fact that the country is on the brink of a major disaster is true. we really are heading what i feel are the dark ages because we basically have an undeclared martial law in pakistan. i mean, the country evolved towards a democratic process over the last 20 years and, suddenly, there s no media which is free, and thejudiciary, they re trying to control that, so we re heading in the dark ages. but what is the answer? is the answer to shake hands with people who ve been robbing this country for 30 years? i came into politics because the two families had destroyed our country economically. i came in because i wanted to bring the powerful under the rule of law, which is why my party was called movement forjustice rule of law. and now, am i supposed tojoin the same people who are responsible

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 11:50:00

to bring the powerful under the rule of law, which is why my party was called movement forjustice rule of law. and now, am i supposed to join the same people who are responsible for destroying the rule of law in this country, who are above law, so that i again. what for, to come into power? i d rather not come into power. i d rather stay in the opposition. what s the point of coming into power if you can t bring justice here? right, but let s stick with the idea that pakistan faces a catastrophic future if political instability feeds into security instability and we see that the suicide bombings, the terror continues particularly aimed at political parties right now and also we see a potential economic catastrophe with an imf bailout, which just stopped the country defaulting, but which nonetheless leaves pakistan in a parlous position. your country can t afford the political chaos that will come if you try to run in the forthcoming election. itjust can t afford it.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 11:50:00

i came in because i wanted to bring the powerful under the rule of law, which is why my party was called movement forjustice rule of law. and now, am i supposed to join the same people who are responsible for destroying the rule of law in this country, who are above law, so that i again. what for, to come into power? i d rather not come into power. i d rather stay in the opposition. what s the point of coming into power if you can t bring justice here? right, but let s stick with the idea that pakistan faces a catastrophic future if political instability feeds into security instability and we see that the suicide bombings, the terror continues particularly aimed at political parties right now and also we see a potential economic catastrophe with an imf bailout, which just stopped the country defaulting, but which nonetheless leaves pakistan in a parlous position.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS HARDtalk 20240604 03:48:00

this country for 30 years? i came into politics because the two families had destroyed our country economically. i came in because i wanted to bring the powerful under the rule of law, which is why my party was called movement forjustice rule of law. and now, am i supposed to join the same people who are responsible for destroying the rule of law in this country, who are above law, so that i again. what for, to come into power? i d rather not come into power. i d rather stay in the opposition. what s the point of coming into power if you can t bring justice here? right, but let s stick with the idea that pakistan faces a catastrophic future if political instability feeds into security instability and we see that the suicide bombings, the terror continues particularly aimed at political parties right now and also we see a potential economic catastrophe with an imf bailout, which just stopped the country defaulting, but which nonetheless leaves pakistan in a parlous position. your

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