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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 10:50:00

clear cut solutions to national problems, you know, is clearly still there. we saw in the election in turkey recently. and of course, one of the features of certain types of populism is that they reject everything about the nature of the state that they ve taken over modi in india, a good example. modi has and others have clearly grabbed hold of certain parts of the state in a way that we re seeing that s definitely a common theme. and by and large, it s control over the judiciary, it s control over the media. you re seeing that, for example, in some european countries, you know, in places like poland and hungary. hungary in particular. ..particularly, ithink, in italy. it s a really interesting question, because you ve got a new leader in meloni although she campaigned as a populist, she is governing overtly as quite a traditional conservative.

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 10:46:00

india is closer to the us today than it ever was, and in the last 20 years india s dependence on russian weapons imports have been reduced from 68% to 45%, 46% today. and the us has been the main beneficiary, because india s weapon imports from the us have been steadily on the rise. nevertheless, india comes out of this much stronger, doesn t it, even than it went into the visit? i think india s interests primarily lie in rising as a great power, a voice of the global south, as mr modi has said several times. it sees the united states as a very important partner in the quest. india wants america s cutting edge technology, the state of the art weapons. china is as much of a threat to india, as people here in india

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 10:48:00

india is in a position where foreign investors, the american investors, they want access to the indian markets because there is a decoupling and de risking of the american companies vis a vis china and they see india as an alternative to china as the global production hub. they all want to come to india to invest. some of them are already there. so india is today in a position, it feels that it cannot be dictated to. # ..every american heart # and it s time we stand and say.# it was the age of populism donald trump in the us. ..boris johnson in britain. he chuckles. ..modi in india. all sing. ..erdogan in turkey, bolsonaro in brazil and various others around the globe. and then, suddenly,

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 11:44:00

are very happy to tell you that their boss was denied a visa in the year 2005 on grounds of alleged human rights violations in gujarat when he was the chief minister of the state. the same man gets red carpet welcome, a hero s welcome in the united states. so it is a kind of personal triumph for mr modi. that s in a nutshell what all his supporters are saying in india. but of course, it s really about china, isn t it? it is about the united states trying to win over india to a coalition that will confront china and perhaps russia. it s clear why president biden is trying to woo india so desperately. he believes that a strong india us partnership is essential to maintain a free and open and even prosperous indo pacific region not

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Transcripts for BBCNEWS Unspun World with John Simpson 20240604 11:46:00

india is closer to the us today than it ever was, and in the last 20 years india s dependence on russian weapons imports have been reduced from 68% to 45%, 46% today. and the us has been the main beneficiary, because india s weapon imports from the us have been steadily on the rise. nevertheless, india comes out of this much stronger, doesn t it, even than it went into the visit? i think india s interests primarily lie in rising as a great power, a voice of the global south, as mr modi has said several times. it sees the united states as a very important partner in the quest. india wants america s cutting edge technology, the state of the art weapons. china is as much of a threat to india, as people here in india

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