Not been public. their accounts are credible on the one hand hand. mark esper resisted donald trump in a number of ways that never became public at the time. again if people were publicly protesting trump, he would have gotten rid of them even sooner. and a whole different category of filks would have come in. so it s not a simple question, but the sheer number of outrageous illegal unconstitutional things that donald trump said through the course of his presidency i don t think we are anywhere near to scratching the surface, frankly, don, of the crazy insdeas like this that trump articulated. remember he wanted to fill moats, you know, at the border with, you know, alligators and he or he ordered the military to shoot at immigrants coming over the border. i mean, you know, so it s entirely consistent with what we already know about trump. oh, boy.
Create new tech leadership, and i m going to get into why they are the way they are just right after i make this comment. we have got to uproot that i have already uprooted my company. we need others to join in and create new tech leadership outside of silicon valley. d.c. is also not going to be the answer. when are they ever really the answer for anything? when they get involved in the government, they will create moats are on the income and social disadvantage entrepreneurs like myself building new technologies that are going to challenge them. mike: here s more from your op-ed. instead of turning to government that can only call and trim, the focus should be in planting and harvesting new tech. apps, algorithms, and platforms are inevitable and they need to be built on a firmer foundation, a deep respect for human dignity, free speech, privacy, democracy, religious belief, individual liberty, and the limitless potential of every person. how does that get started?
When government gets involved in general, in my opinion it s usually a bad thing in business. because it ends up stifling entrepreneurship and creates moats for incumbent businesses by the regulations they ve set up. these modes are difficult for entrepreneurs to step up and challenge those existing incumbents in big tech. mike: peter, thanks for your time today. my best to folks they are in the live music capital of the world. happy new year, and we ve got this, mike. thank you. mike: interesting conversation, gillian. your thoughts? gillian: it was. it strikes me, mike, if the big tech companies want to follow peter s advice, a good challenge for them to start with would be to focus on their internal house of cards first. to become more tolerant as a staff, inside the companies, and maybe that will help them become more tolerant of different political ideologies and beliefs expressed by americans on the platforms. you got to start somewhere. mike: to get out of