war started. as you mention, it s primarily been a tremendous lethal cost to civilian populations. you said in the past that ukraine must have major military success this summer. what happens if they don t? well, i think it s going to be a huge problem foru underscoe that. you know, if i had to bet on who is going to come out of the lone horse race and when, it s going to be ukraine. the russian economy is still in terrible safe. they re an international pariah. he s got tremendous dissension on the home front. hundreds of thousands of russian boys ran for their lives during the last mobilization. we ve added finland and probably sweden to the nato lineup so that the area in which they have to be concerned as broad and enormously. putin is in trouble. and his allies are north korea,
you said in the past that ukraine must have major military success this summer. what happens if they don t? well, i think it s going to be a huge problem for russia also, we should underscore that. you know, if i had to bet on who is going to come out of the lone horse race and when, it s going to be ukraine. the russian economy is still in terrible safe. they re an international pariah. he s got tremendous dissension on the home front. hundreds of thousands of russian boys ran for their lives during the last mobilization. we ve added finland and probably sweden to the nato lineup so that the area in which they have to be concerned as broad and enormously. putin is in trouble. and his allies are north korea, to a limited extent china, iran, and that pretty much sums it up. so, they re in trouble. but ukraine, politically one would argue, the european union,
wagner had success continent? well, it is true that wagner had success in - continent? well, it is true that wagner had success in africa, | continent? well, it is true that - wagner had success in africa, they have wagner had success in africa, they have suffered losses and they had to withdraw. have suffered losses and they had to withdraw, they were hired to guarantee the security of some oil ri-s guarantee the security of some oil rigs and guarantee the security of some oil rigs and so guarantee the security of some oil rigs and so on, and they did not succeed rigs and so on, and they did not succeed. they suffered failure in libya succeed. they suffered failure in libya. so. succeed. they suffered failure in libya. so, their strongholds are mali. libya. so, their strongholds are mali, centralafrica. | libya. so, their strongholds are mali, centralafrica. mali, centralafrica. i apologise for interrupting, mali, centralafrica. i apologise for interrupting, but
opinion to stop russian expansion here in ukraine before it escalates into a much wider conflict, potential conflict between russia and nato. so a wide ranging conversation but i think one of the main take takeaways after military success, how tough it is proving to punch through the russian frontlines. richard engel, thank you for being with us this morning. coming up the daca program turns 11 today. we ll talk to current daca reyip sent about how the plan has changed her life and so many others. and the two lawmakers expelledoff their protests are trying to keep their seats in a special primary election today. we ll have the details next. y ey we ll have the details next. power e trade s easy-to-use tools,
sort of statements that prigozhin has been making for months. if the wagner group were to pull in, the ukrainians would pull in and kill any russians they found there and provide the opportunity for an attack the ukrainians could dream of. his jibes of the central government of the kremlin, everybody in the russian administration other than vladimir putin himself. really this is attention seeking, trying to elevate his status, i think, within russia at a time when at least in the temporary and tactical level he might be able to claim a degree of military success locally within bakhmut city itself. but of course we also know that the ukrainians are flanking the wagner mercenary group on two