is isis winning? they re still around so in terms of winning, who still is on the battlefield, they re there, but i m cautiously optimistic. turkey has always been on the side here right? but they focused their effort on humanitarian and the syrian refugees. they have not taken a military step until this last week so the fact they re in the game now, whether they go after the pkk as well. they have decided to go after isis. isis directly targeted them these killed an if turkish soldier. you see this as a turning point? see it as a game changer. it may not be the way the united states wants. why wouldn t that be? because the u.s. if it had its druter it would simply like to protect the kurds. we ve seen different viewpoints here. ultimately what they ll give will ultimately shape this edge
around concerning pan am 103, all sorts of attacks. i have never seen anything this clear or this damning or you know, implicating a country like russia like this. i approach this very skeptically. if i could, it comes at the exact right time when you need it. yeah, exactly. timing is suspect. rick, we have talked a lot about next steps with russia, with our various panelists, about economic penalties, what s going to get vladimir putin to move, change behavior, stop supporting these rebels. what about military steps? to this point, those military steps have been very measured. you have a couple deployments of airborne troops to countries neighboring ukraine, 173rd airborne. you have a couple overflights, a ship in the black sea, that kind of thing. what would you see as a reasonable and effective military step in response to this and keep in mind i m not talking about boots on the ground in eastern ukraine. we can beef up our presence and use the nato framework to
homeland. so what military step, drones, perhaps, will i need to take the way we have done it in yemen, in the afghanistan, pakistan area. then the second military challenge is, what happens if this sunni force starts to sweep into baghdad? will we do anything? i think what hillary clinton is saying is that, like the president, the public focus ought to be on why this happened, and this happened because maliki stopped working and moderating his policies, and working with the sunni community. if he doesn t turn that around, iraq is going to break up into three pieces. a kurdish piece, a sunni piece, through the civil war, and then the larger shiite piece in the south. so it s up to maliki to change policy on on how he treats, how he deals with and how he works with the sunni community. do you think he will? some sort of unity government. i m skeptical, because right now
swath of political actors there and really push for where the revolution went 30 minutes ago which was to try to be inclusive and create a democratic path that s sustainable and the egyptians control. yesterday john mccain did something that so far few in washington seem to be willing to do. officially, at least, and that s call what happened in egypt a coup. it was a coup, and it was the second time in 2 1/2 years that we have seen the military step in. it s a strong indicator of the lack of american leadership and influence since we urged the military not to do that, and reluctantly i believe that we have to suspend aid until such time as there is a new constitution and a free and fair election. howard fineman, are we on the side of democracy or not? well, that s a good question. i think we are in theory, and
and really push for where the revolution went 30 minutes ago which was to try to be inclusive and create a democratic path that s sustainable and the egyptians control. yesterday john mccain did something that so far few in washington seem to be willing to do. officially, at least, and that s call what happened in egypt a coup. it was a coup, and it was the second time in 2 1/2 years that we have seen the military step in. it s a strong indicator of the lack of american leadership and influence since we urged the military not to do that, and reluctantly i believe that we have to suspend aid until such time as there is a new constitution and a free and fair election. howard fineman, are we on the side of democracy or not? well, that s a good question. i think we are in theory, and perhaps in the long run we are, in fact, in egypt if the