look like putin s forces are leaving ukraine, anytime soon. joining us now, from ukraine, from lviv, nbc news cal perry. good evening, my friend. the russians seem to be upping their air attacks, after these losses, and the stalling of their ground troops. what more can you tell us about, that tonight? i think that is, absolutely, what is happening. if you talk about military incompetence, certainly, we see that play out in some places. it doesn t take great military strength to massacre civilians. that is what we see. room talk about the russian death toll, we hear from the deputy to the president, earlier tonight, and she said that she was working with the red cross, to return 14,000 bodies of dead russian soldiers. we thought that number sounds high, but then as you stated, the president, a few hours ago, said there was 13,000 bodies of dead russian soldiers that he, basically, didn t expect to have, and they don t know what to do with. we had an indication this was coming. when y
here and to russians in russia, that morale among russian troops, and that s something we ve been talking about, laura morale among russian troops is inevitably going to be not just low, but we know that these convoys are stalled. we know that they re having supply chain issues. we know that they are not functioning the way that they should, and as we ve heard tonight, the united kingdom ministry of defence, as we ve heard from the u.s. state department, is it seems the tactic is to take out that military incompetence on the civilian areas. cal, just a note. you take as much time as you need every night, please, to deliver us the news that you think we need to know here. there is no limit on your time. i just want to follow up on the point you made for once, a successful news of a humanitarian traffic zone today, and that is the kind of thing that should be allowed to happen everywhere. there is no conceivable
go by, how poorly they re looking to their friends and enemies alike or to their friend and enemies alive, and why vladimir putin has every reason in the world to bring this to a close before the army is exposed and before he s exposed at home even more. i think that s correct analysis, joe. you know, there are a string of war colleges around the world that are run by all of the militaries. every one of those is going to be studying this as a fundamental central case study in military incompetence on the part of the russians. and even more than that, on a case study of what war crimes look like. i think that is going to echo for a long time on the world stage. the second point, you know, david mentioned correctly that there was no cnn, there was no
it has been brewing a long time. it is nearly 20 years since vladimir putin first sent troops to occupy parts of georgia, and eight since he occupied parts of ukraine. he has sent spies into british cities armed with nerve agents to murder exiled russians. but the western democracies did not disengage. europe built up an unhealthy dependence on russian gas. even now, europe buys russia s gas at $1 billion a day. london became a safe place for russia s wealthy elites to park money. they built prestigious property empires. few questions were asked about where the money came from. but putin has misread the world catastrophically. first in his view that ukrainian is a bogus identity. ukrainians have proved it is an identity they are ready to fight and die for. putin s plan for a swift decapitation of the state has failed. russia s military incompetence has been striking.