brazilian protesters, the bolsonristas, and the people that were protecting them in the institutions can show that they have a force, and they are a force to be reckoned with. what is the utility i mean, they were there to show that they have power, to show that they have forces. it also seems like they wanted to invite the military in, but the craziest was a prelude to a military takeover. that seems to be an important part, a piece of this, right? in the same way on january 6th, there was some hope that somehow trump would also call in the military, and then by force, they would both be kept in office. i guess i wonder when you look at that sort of inclination. in brazil, it seems
invite the military in, that the chaos was a prelude to the military takeover. in the same way i d say on january 6 there was some hope that somehow trump would also call in the military and that by force they would both be kept in office. i guess i wonder when you look at that sort of inclination, in brazil it seems particularly potent given the fact that the military was ruling the government until just recently. this is a huge difference in that protestors were camped out in front of the military headquarters and they did instead want to they were hoping the military would have an intervention and bring their hero back. bolsonaro was in the army and the dictatorship only ended in 1985. and that is important because there are millions of brazilians
like missile positioning. we want to talk about strategic nuclear in a u.s./russia bilateral, perhaps, but we re not going to say that nato won t admit new members. we re not going to say that nato will roll back its task forces that are deployed into the former countries of the warsaw pact or the baltic states. and so it is going to be a mixed message back to moscow. this is all part of the game that mr. putin s playing. we don t know whether he s going to actually launch his military or not. if he can get what he wants, without putting a military in, that s what he wants. and so he ratchets up the pressure, he goes behind the scenes to different countries to see is there any daylight there, can i shake up a government? he s going to run demonstrations in ukraine against mr. zelensky, he s going to try to create
prevent an incursion on a sovereign country like the country of ukraine. so the cato folks can say, gosh, we shouldn t send our military in, but no one s suggesting that. what we re going to do is, if we get this right, we re going to support governments. we protect our sovereignty at the southern border, that s what we did during our four years, other countries should be permitted to do that. and no rogue nation, like the russians, should be permitted to violate that sovereignty without a response from the western countries including nato. shannon: so there have been a lot of conversations between russia with iran, with china, there have been joint military exercises, all kinds of conversations going on with those individual countries, and they work together. how worried are you about china, them watching this knowing the air incursions they ve had, for instance, into taiwan air defense zone? how closely do you think these other nations are watching this particular dispute to make the
prevent an incursion on a sovereign country like the country of ukraine. so the cato folks can say, gosh, we shouldn t send our military in, but no one s suggesting that. what we re going to do is, if we get this right, we re going to support governments. we protect our sovereignty at the southern border, that s what we did during our four years, other countries should be permitted to do that. and no rogue nation, like the russians, should be permitted to violate that sovereignty without a response from the western countries including nato. shannon: so there have been a lot of conversations between russia with iran, with china, there have been joint military exercises, all kinds of conversations going on with those individual countries, and they work together. how worried are you about china, them watching this knowing the air incursions they ve had, for instance, into taiwan air defense zone? how closely do you think these other nations are watching this particular dispute to make the