campaign from his former bos and 2020 and today mike penc appeared before the grand jury investigating january six. what his testimony could mea for the special counsel. and then the parents of louisville shooter speak out i an emotional interview what are they are saying about for real change. and it is more than just hollywood magic, how artificia intelligence is transforming movies, music, and eve politics but at what cost as the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night goo evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle live fro washington d.c. tonight wher there is a major development i the special counse investigation into forme president donald trump s efforts to overturn the 2020 election according to a source familiar with the matter, today, former vice president mike penc testified for hours before the federal grand jury in the case the january six committe
if you have a thesis on that i know some people said look this is the end, but tha doesn t mean we re going t have a charging decision comin up anytime soon. how do you read this in th grand scheme of what jack smit is doing here? i don t think we can predic the future out of this i do think we can say that the had to do everything the could. the prosecutors had to d everything they could to get this story of the trum conversations and eastma conversations with mike penc from mike pence. they have it from other people but they have to check every box and mike pence is a bi important box for them i also think you can think o this in terms of, specia counsel investigation is covering a lot of differen ground, a lot of different directions so i think when it comes t conversations inside the white house, conversations directl connected to the president himself on the issue of th file tabulation of votes
because they came to the wok mob. senator bernie sanders on why he s endorsing a secon term for president biden when all in starts right now good evening from new york, i chris hayes. it sure looks like mike penc has flipped on his old boss. today, the former vice president testified before a federal grand jury, as part of special counsel jack smith s investigation into donal trump s attempted coup this latest development ha moved with remarkable speed, i was just last night, a federal appeals court ruled, pence had to testify less than 24 hours later, he was speaking, to the grand jury we don t know how long pence actually testified today, an suv transported him arrived in federal courthouse this morning, just before 9 am, it departe nearly eight hours later i gotta say, those of us who follow, for a living, or, yo know you watching at home, the various legal entanglement
that he knew these didn t have the authority to do what h wanted if, the report for example, if the reports are accurate if yo are two on us to do what i wan you to do. that s an admission that h knows what it would require, deception in line. i think that it s intent tha they will go ahead for sure. firsthand account of th presidents intent seems to b very valuable in this. i do wonder, because mike penc tried to fight off the subpoen by invoking the speech and debate clause, and som questions are going to be of the table for prosecutor because the judge has grante limited privilege, if you will about the account because of that debate clause. how do you see that hamperin of potential lines o questioning? do you think that there are ke moments in and around januar 6th the january 6th doj cannot ask questions about i think that it will have very limited bearings on wha the justice department needs t know most of the damage is done before the conversations wit
claims of fraud were false that he knew these didn t have the authority to do what h wanted if, the report for example, if the reports are accurate if yo are two on us to do what i wan you to do. that s an admission that h knows what it would require, deception in line. i think that it s intent tha they will go ahead for sure. firsthand account of th presidents intent seems to b very valuable in this. i do wonder, because mike penc tried to fight off the subpoen by invoking the speech and debate clause, and som questions are going to be of the table for prosecutor because the judge has grante limited privilege, if you will about the account because of that debate clause. how do you see that hamperin of potential lines o questioning? do you think that there are ke moments in and around januar 6th that the doj cannot as about?