exchange, what do you about tha that? we should not be playing to america s fears. we fought pirates on the high seas. i ve said this a few times already. the alien and sedition acts were available to our president in those days to exclude dangerous aliens come in the president can come if he wants under section 212f of the immigration act as the gentleman said, exclude people, but he has to do it uniformly. you cannot violate the establishment clause by creating exception even if it is well intended jews and christians for and minority religions could we have to get this out of the cous and get the president and his good offices the opportunity to create better vetting, we all agree on that, but the rules of engagement must be in concert with our constitution and not flaunting it. jenna: hans, the timing of it, though, circling back to that. there is, as michael points out, an argument that some of this should be taking place in congress, we should adjust our policies that way thr
positively say they ve gone to training and they have evolved war against our country, they shouldn t be let in. people who go there and get trained shouldn t be allowed back, as far as i m concerned. but just to paint with a broad brush everybody trying to come into the country, i think that that is dangerous and almost impossible to do. we can t seal our borders off. no country has been able to do that completely in history. in fact, as michael points out, that s exactly what isis would like the west to do, to actually prevent these large numbers of refugees from coming. if anything, they don t like the fact that so many people are leaving the potential caliphate, leaving a potential place they want to rule. appreciate you both being with us. we are anticipating comments coming up shortly from france s president, holland, and
and may take as many as 1 million before the end of this year. there s also major backlash in the united states. some governors refusing to let in syrian refugees. others calling for tighter measures. the fears that an attack like happened in paris could happen on u.s. soil. joining me was the lead police official during the boston marathon. we re also joined by co-author of isis inside the army of terror, also a senior editor for the daily beast. michael, when you look at this flood of refugees and migrants who have come, as many as 1 million in this year alone, no end in sight to it until the war in syria actually ends. there are potentially millions of others who would like to try to make that journey. how concerned are you about further infiltration if, in fact, one terrorist was from the group. further infiltration of members of isis and others who want to do harm to countries in europe.
you said the dynamics of this debate could be impacted by the setting, the venue. this is a much smaller room than that huge basketball auditorium in cleveland. i was really struck by the intimacy in that hangar, only 500 seats. donald trump feeds off of crowds. this won t be there for him. wolf, i remember you asking a question of ron paul in the 2012 cycle in tampa where you posed a hypothetical about a patient that had no insurance and needed medical treatment. there was elicited from the audience, a cry, it s okay if they die. there won t be this element in this arena. a different setting, you agree, gloria. oh, yeah, like a new hampshire town hall in a way. it may benefit somebody like a jeb bush who has been out there in new hampshire, john kasich s been out there in new hampshire in those small settings. you know, as michael points out, trump plays to a larger audience and loves that. that audience is right there
retrogressing. it s now taking people upwards of 15 to 25 years to bring a brother in. if you are an employer in. legally. go back and let s do this legal so people are hearing a false narrative in south america. they are showing up at the border. there isn t any parent, let alone an immigration lawyer that doesn t agree we should keep the bad guys out but how are we going to fix this problem? there are about 300 and something immigration judges. about a thousand ice agents. steven, how are we going to fix the problem that michael points out. first off, the most generous legal immigration system of the world. 31 million legal immigrants living in the united states. when we give out 1 million green cards a year. now, maybe you think that number is too high or too low. that s an interesting question. on the central question of do you have to enforce your laws, absolutely. if everybody you catch at the border from central america, you parole into the united states, because they ha