a moment. back to the hearing now with chairman nadler. mr. chairman, there are 15 ayes and 24 nos. the motion is not agreed too. i yield myself 5 minutes to question the witnesses plchlt goldman, can you explain the difference between vice president biden s request to the ukraine and president trump s request to the ukraine? when vice president biden did so with an international consensus as part of u.s. policy the entire european union supported that. and the imf gave the loans he was referring to. he did that as part of the entire international community s consensus. when president trump asked for
the private confirmation was not enough because he wanted the political benefit. this could benefit the president politically because the announcement alone could be twitter fodder between now and the next election to smear a political rival. that s consistent with the findings. president nixon attempted to corrupt elections and his agents broke into democratic party headquarters to get a leg up on the election. then he tried to cover it up just as we have seen obstruction here. even more concerning in this case, president trump not only appears to have abused of power of his office to help his own reelection campaign, he used a foreign government to do his bidding and used military aid as leverage to get the job done. now this aid was approved by congress. it was done on a bipartisan basis for ukraine to fight
we have a lot of conflicting testimony. we have not been able to get everyone s account, but the investigation hasn t been able to reveal firsthand evidence relating to the president other than the call transcript. we already talked about this. ambassador sonland would presume things, assume things, and form opinions based on what other people told him. then he would use those as firsthand, is that correct? hmmm. it started with his role with the ukraine portfolio.
this investigation of joe biden, all of the witnesses, every single one testified that had nothing to do with official u.s. policy. president and vice president biden s request had no personal political benefit and president trump s did? yes, the witnesses testified if the corrupt prosecutor general were removed, it would be because he was not prosecuting corruption. so the witnesses said by removing that prosecutor general and adding a new one, there was an increased chance that corruption in ukraine would be prosecuted relating to the barisma company which his son was on the board. mr. goldman, explain what happened to the phone records obtained by the intelligence committee. i want to set the record straight. this is a basic and usual
bipartisan basis for ukraine to fight russia who had invaded them and while aid, this aid was withheld, people died while this aid was being withheld and some have argued since ultimately the aid was released that there was not a problem, but mr. goldman, isn t it true that the aid was released only after the president got caught and only after congress learned of the scheme to make this life or death aid conditional on this announcement of investigation of his politicalst rival? there were several things that made the president realize that this was coming to a head and could not be concealed. the whistleblower complaint was circulating aroundmp the white house, thehe congressional committees announced their own investigation, and then the perhaps the washington post op-ed on september 5th linking the twoep and then the inspecto