wasn t and what might be the listening of donald trump s grip on the republican party enjoined that by two conservatives who have spoken out against trump and trumpism. a msnbc can tributary, author of the book, resistance. how women save democracy from donald trump. jennifer vincent joins. as joe walsh of the former republican who represented the eighth district of illinois. he also ran against trump for the republican presidential nomination in 2020. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. joe, you didn t get a shadow in that clip we just ran from donald trump about members of congress whom he didn t embrace or who didn t embrace him and lost. that is his thing, right? he is not taking responsibility for the 16 republicans in key battleground states who he supported this time around, whom he endorsed who lost his races. his view is if they win i deserve all the credit. he actually said this if they win undeserved credit.
the president step down. of course, that answer, once again, he lies. mischaracterizes the article. the article didn t say he told colleagues he asked trump to resign but that he was going to do that. the recording confirms that. here s more of that january 10th, 2021, conversation between mccarthy and republican leaders, as mccarthy wasn t just expressing options. he was expressing his contempt, his disgust. just how much he despised donald trump. let me be very clear to all of you, and i am very clear to the president. he bears responsibilities for his words and actions, no ifs, ands, or buts. i asked him personally today, does he told responsibility for what happened? does he feel bad about what happened? he told me he does have some responsibility for what happened, and he needs to
the committee has shown an unwillingness to force them to answer questions. the committee can have all the public hearings it wants, but without those individuals, without a fuller picture of what went on around them, it will not be a full authoritative account of what happened in the lead-up to and during january 6th. michael schmidt, what would be the reason not to subpoena them? well, i think there are two or two and a half or three reasons for that. one of them is that legal experts would say the members would have a decent argument in court because of the speech and debate protections they have as members of congress. this is an area that hasn t been tested, and democrats don t want to do that. and there is a feeling from democratic leadership in the house, if they were to cross this line, then when the republicans win back control of congress, if they were to do that, they would then turn that
leadership role in the party and recently endorsed her primary challenger, despite the fact that he s espoused what appears to be the exact same views as liz cheney. except it was behind closed doors, of course. this comes on the heels of the reporting earlier week from the new york times that mccarthy vowed to drive donald trump out of politics, and that he would recommend donald trump resign from office. mccarthy has denied that reporting as totally false. but actually in a separate piece of audio, there s more than one tape also obtained of a phone call between mccarthy and his leadership team. he suggests those tapes suggest mccarthy wasn t telling the truth with his denial either. the only discussion i would have with him is that i think this will pass, and it will be my recommendation you should do that. you just heard kevin mccarthy
and you see california continuing to turn left and mccarthy wasn t able to stave off those defeats. there s an old political bromide, and there are many of these, you know them all, that midterms take out the moderates. they often leave both sides standing. so you get the extremes, the righties and the lefties. having established that, let s talk about nancy pelosi. it is odd that the democrats have picked up all these seats, there is now talk that pelosi should be out. the democrats in the senate lost seats. you don t hear that about chuck schumer. so what s going on in the house? at this point the most interesting development is martha fudge, a former chair of the congressional black caucus from ohio, which is notably also the state where tim ryan, the chief pelosi foe, is from. she has said she could be interested in a bid for speaker, picking up on some of this discontent among house democrats. but talking to pelosi allies