lose, and it was more than a popcorn, popcorn and a few margarita moment for democrats to go, whoa, we thought we were fragmented and we wouldn t rein in our fringe elements. look at them, we re not the only ones. but the sad thing about this, headline or not, was for the american people. look, i m going to go in addition to what ben said. yes, they had an agenda, but in addition to that you have a couple of people, i m sorry, you have the lauren boeberts and the matt gaetzs who i feel are attention whores, and the cameras are on them. one of the things they got what they wanted which i think is going to be a disaster for the republican party, for the house and for the american people is that they have the ability to ouster kevin mccarr think mccarthy as speaker pretty much anytime. any legislation that, you know, they don t like that s put forth and they don t like the way it s going, you know, they can just say you re out of here. howard: right. and one last thing. to talk about
this, though, as we continue to find out, you know, all the exact numbers so appears on this round and we don t know the exact numbers. does it matter if it s all 20 still or whether you peel off one or two at this point? is that relevant. it would be relevant because it would show that some people were listening to the negotiations and believing that mccarthy had moved enough to earn their support. so if he were to get a vote or two, even if he s short that s significant. the other thing i m looking at and hearing, number one, there is mass frustration among the 200 that too much has been given away to people. and then the other thing i m looking at among the 20, i don t think they move monolithically. there s different people in that faction for different reasons. you know, the chip roys and matt gaetzs are in different places so let s say mccarthy was able to cut a deal with the people who had legitimate policy and process ideas. is that going to convince matt gaetz and lauren boe
hearing his name and kind of watching him as this drags out as part of the governing coalition that mccarthy is trying to put together is they have effectively triaged the members of that 20-vote group to see who they think are the folks can get to yes and who are the folks that can t. you won t be shocked to know a professional politician was smart enough not to give me the exact names of the people he thinks can t be brought around, he indicated it as obvious as many of us think it is in some ways here. they re talking about some folks whose demands will not be met and who will either be left to be the last couple of votes what are going to be no, or who could conceivably be pressured by the fact that a dozen, maybe 15 of their colleagues who have been no s to this point have been satisfied. as all these folks, the matt gaetzs, the lauren boeberts try to argue, this isn t personal. the idea is perhaps those folks can be isolated at the end by the accession of the many and
until the house determines who is going to lead this chamber for the next two years. all right, manu raju, thanks so much. let s chat about this. one of the things that s so interesting, dana bash, is this hard-line group, the matt gaetzs, lauren boeberts, scott perrys who are far right of their party making demands according to leader mccarthy, according to him asking for special committee assignments, budgets, chairmanship, all sorts of things that he was not prepared to give them. no, not at all. look, i mean, that is in some ways good old-fashioned horse trading. that s the kind of thing where when a speaker or leaders used to have much more power, they could they could give things out in order to get somebody s support, maybe not to be speaker of the house but for a particular piece of legislation. the big challenge for mccarthy now is that he does not have anything that is givable to a
could go on for a very long time until the house determines who is going to lead this chamber for the next two years. all right, manu raju, thanks so much. let s chat about this. one of the things that s so interesting, dana bash, is this hard-line group, the matt gaetzs, lauren boeberts, scott perrys who are far right of their party making demands according to leader mccarthy, according to him asking for special committee assignments, budgets, chairmanship, all sorts of things that he was not prepared to give them. no, not at all. look, i mean, that is in some ways good old-fashioned horse trading. that s the kind of thing where when a speaker or leaders used to have much more power, they could they could give things out in order to get somebody s support, maybe not to be speaker of the house but for a particular piece of legislation. the big challenge for mccarthy now is that he does not have