of thing? it will depend very much on what he has to say and how forthcoming he is. i will tell you that based on my reporting at the time, the people in the vice president s office were very incensed and very disturbed by former president trump s actions to try to overturn the election and try to force former vice president pence into nullifying the election. there are people who i talked about the time who told me that they were very concerned that the president had just gone too far. even for them, who had been loyal to the president. mark sure is the kind of person, as bob just said, that was really a front row seat person. he was someone who was in the meetings, who understood the thinking, he was someone who would ve been very familiar with the communications between the vice president and the president. the sort of back dealing, and pressure campaign of the former president. that was he was putting on. former vice president mike pence as he was going up and nearing january 6th