the difference between mike pence s situation and mark meadows situation, they both have sharply incriminating evidence about donald trump. mike pence though, probably doesn t have a fifth amendment right against self incrimination to invoke mark meadows absolutely does. mark meadows lawyer will say if push comes to shove, and the executive privilege claims fails, you need to walk into the grand jury and plead the fifth over and over and over again. then jack smith has a decision to make, does he immunize mark meadows and compel s testimony against trump? or does he make mark meadows a co defendant and puts them at counsel table with donald trump, trying to force him to flip and become a cooperating witness? that s the way i see this playing out. all, right we re out of time, but as carroll said a moment ago, if donald trump had good lawyers giving him good advice, anyone who we just mentioned in the last 16 minutes i sure hope they were tuning in for the
january 6th and how we re going to, you know, stop this steal. here s how this old prosecutor sees things. the difference between mike pence s situation and mark meadows situation, they both have sharply incriminating evidence about donald trump. mike pence though, probably doesn t have a fifth amendment right against self incrimination to invoke mark meadows absolutely does. mark meadows lawyer will say if push comes to shove, and the executive privilege claims fails, you need to walk into the grand jury and plead the fifth over and over and over again. then jack smith has a decision to make, does he immunize mark meadows and compel s testimony against trump? or does he make mark meadows a co defendant and puts them at counsel table with donald trump, trying to force him to flip and become a cooperating witness? that s the way i see this playing out. all, right we re out of time, but as carol said a moment ago,