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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:54:00

now, the fbi scrambled to connect the dots between denhollander, the judge and mark angelucci. throughout the next few hours, we would piece together that the subject, roy dan hollander, had a professional relationship with mark angelucci in california. they were both part of what was described as the men s rights movement, which embraces all things masculine. california detectives had interviewed harry crouch about his organization. the national coalition for man. now the fbi was calling him. he knew the shooter. roy denhollander was actually in your group at one point, in your organization? yes, and i threw him out. why? because of his character, because of his antics. he threatened to come down to california to kick my ass, that is a quote.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:04:00

mother and son were cleaning up the basement and sharing a special, albeit fleeting moment. i think he was swimming a bat or something, and i remember him saying, let s keep talking, mom. i love talking to you, mom. and at that exact second, the doorbell rang. curious, daniel shot up the stairs to answer the door. the next thing i heard were these this bang. this loud sound that i had never heard before. and i hear mark say, no. and then i hear i just and i w i remember mark did youanda bat or something, and i remember him saying, let s keep talking, mom. i love talking to you, mom. and at that exact second, the doorbell rang. curious, daniel shot up the stairs to answer the door. the next thing i heard were these this bang. this loud sound that i had never heard before. and i hear mark say, no. and then i hear bang, bang, bang. and i just i just screamed, what is happening? and i ran up the stairs. what do you think is happening? do you have any idea? no, the on

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:57:00

born. and that is something i could not change. because you are a woman? because i am a woman, and hispanic. among the number of pages the manifesto, denahan found multiple references to judge salas. he said things about her. that she was hot. then he said she was lazy? yes he impuned the judge extensively. he had problems with her, he had problems with a lot of women. but perhaps his biggest problem with the judge was that he thought the case was moving too slowly. his case was lagging far behind mark angelucci s. he began to not focus on the legal side of, it but on her personally. he believed that she was specifically slowing down his lawsuit. agents were left to wonder, if denhollander s vendetta was against the judge, why did he not finish the job and shoot her? danny and mark basically put up a strong enough defense of their home, that it precluded him from coming forward.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 10:45:00

and then i just i didn t understand the connection. the judge hadn t given it much thought. her attention was understandably elsewhere. i was focused on mark. is he going to make it? how serious is this? and what could i do? her husband, mark, was clinging to life in the icu. but for the moment, she felt safe. you are in a sort of a cocoon right now. you re surrounded by security. but you re going to have to leave this hospital and to continue to live your life with this man out there. does that cross your mind at all? you know? yeah, you are fearful. and something else crossed her mind, as she sat by her husband s bedside. she realized whoever did this had easy access to her personal information. federal judges data, like home addresses and phone numbers, is not protected, like everyone else, is it s available online through a google search or data brokers. this information can be used for such nefarious purposes,

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20240604 05:23:00

federal judge quickly made national news. this was a breeze and crime. a gunman apparently disguised as a delivery man the fbi was asking anyone with information to contact them. special agent denahan and his team were following every lead, knowing the stakes were high. we need to identify, lucky and neutralize the subject before anyone else could be hurt. you have a killer on the loose? correct. agents worked through the night. with the judges son crossed off their list as a possible target, they turned to her husband mark. was there anyone that you can think of that might want to harm mark because of the case that he had handled? mark is a very well thought of defense attorney. so, although he s represented some individuals accused a very serious crimes, we weren t aware of any that had serious grievances against him.

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