now saying because of the security concerns, and the reason is, the status of going into gaza or fighting in gaza have been ones that come about every few years. they believe a cease-fire is not going to edged the threat gaza opposes to them. maybe it requires more long-term presence of the military to root out hamas and then return gaza back to palestinian control. martin savidge, thanks very much in jerusalem. let s turn our attention to our other big stories. five days off downing of ma lie sha airlines flight 17. a plane is set to fly the remains on to amsterdam. dutch foreign ministry tells cnn it could be another 15 hours