lot easier for you too. why did you take that decision? i don t think it would ve made it easier because at the end of the day at the end of the day, the question really is, you know, what s more important here. and to me, there was no world in which you would say maintaining this house seat matters more than standing up for truth. and it became clear that in order to stay in leadership, i was gonna have to tell donald trump s lies. and i was willing to do. that it wasn t a choice for me, and frankly, i don t think it was a choice for any american now given the stakes and given how significant this trend is. the book is called oath and honor: a memoir and a warning . liz cheney, what a remarkable what the world [laughter] and i know, despite everything, it s not the easiest thing in the world to sit down with me for an hour. but i really appreciate it. thank you, i appreciate it. let s keep the conversation going. that s going to do it for us tonight. it is
the criminal trial of former president donald trump. i m rachel maddow. i m here with my colleagues stephanie ruhle and jen psaki and alex wagner and chris hayes. in a courtroom in downtown manhattan just after 5:00 eastern time this evening the foreperson of the jury rose and delivered the jury s unanimous verdict, donald trump guilty on all 34 counts of falsifying business records in order to conceal a scheme to corrupt the 2016 election. it s a scheme that was described by the prosecution in their summation as something that may very well have been the reason that donald trump won the 2016 election. as of tonight it is officially a criminal scheme. he has been convicted on 34 counts. with those convictions we enter uncharted territory as a country. for the first time a president has been criminally convicted, and for the first time one of our two main political parties is about to nominate that same man for president after he has been convicted of 34 felonies. that is wher