distractions, if you will , wee including the arrest of a former president . you ve got lot o these almost r on some college campuses with trans activists. and yet we also what i listed a lot of people might not have heard about the attack in syria and the injuries to our troops . it s kind of a shocking dynamic. the the economy is still inthats a very strange place thatom something isn t quite right goi with what s going on . tell me your sense of things when you look at what we see,d n what the media seems to be focused on versus what s happeninversusg to the world in us here at home.world well, when you say somethingi seems not quitghe right, i think it s more than that. we v i mean, we ve see seen it for almost two years now. the lack of direction, n the overreaction or under reaction, depending you see what s happening e what in china. joe biden s never been strongn on china and the whole balloon . i served thirty nine years in the military, the last four at the pentagon. i reti
we are looking at with thi particular judge in texas an his decision talk to me about that las thing you said, because i thin that s really important for ou viewers to understand, and the do, because you know, we v been following this case for weeks now. it is not coincidence that thi landed at the judge, at th desk of judge matthe kacsmaryk. that is very much by design. and i wonder if you are an ant abortion rights advocate, an you see that has succeeded, ho and then you continue to build upon that strategy it is very clear that conservative forces know tha this was a judge that will probably go along with whateve they want. so, and he s shown tha historically, and he supported some of the most terribl immigration positions that the trump administration took, e cetera so, this is called for shopping, or judge shopping, and we re
the fact is, you know, marc short and greg jacob, two of pence s closest aides, hav testified. but that secondary information right. yeah, they were conversations only trump and pence are a party to i think even believing there s one on january 6th, in fact. and those are the conversations, i would imagine if i was a prosecutor, i want the grandeu to hear that testimony i, mean i think to some degree, people think, oh, we v heard what mike pence has to say in these interviews on abc or the wall street journal op-ed. i know that i have mor questions. i know a coalition of medi outlets is pressing to get tha testimony unsealed because o its national import. do you think we are going to b successful in any of that? those are so hard it s really hard with gran jury issues to sort of breakthrough on that i mean, we saw with what we di as a media coalition just this week state indictment, yes. federal grand jury, whe it s not even complete its investigation. but maybe it s at the
counsel s nightmare. it is also irrelevant, as we v talked about that the document are classified are not classified, because you know what, you cannot steal government documents here the end, there s a federa statute on that. but to sit there and say i too them but i thought they re declassified, they re stil government documents unless he s got to say, when i take stuff, it s mine. that s like a robert going int your house and say i m stealin it, but when i think about it, they re mine it doesn t work that way so, i really think in that cas it s very, very hard to figure out any possible defense i that case. so, he, there s a reason he attacking fani willis, there i a reason he s attacking jack smith, because he knows what h did. and he knows these are bot cases that can be made andrew weissmann, dan horwitz, jeremy saland catherine christian, thank you all very much for starting off our discussion tonight, we r going to come back for mor later. but coming up, lanny davis, th atto
like atmosphere in the courtroom. which is comical because donal trump, of all people, is the one trying to turn this into a circus as much as one as he can he just wants to be th ringmaster and i think that s why we ca expect some sort of guidance tomorrow from the judge. i absolutely agree with da that it s not going to be in the form of formal gag tomorrow i think that would be agains this judges cautious instincts which we see time and again. i think it would have seriou first amendment problems but at the same time, we v seen but trump s words can d in the most terrific of ways o january 6th. and they re all sorts of exceptions to the firs amendment and free speech when it comes to the sort of thing. so i expect the judge tomorrow is going to do the following he is going to treat wit donald trump like any othe criminal defendant, recognizin that whatever he does here can set president or future trials