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Transcripts for CNN CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield 20240604 17:13:00

we fight. we fight like hell. if you don t fight like hell, you re not going to have a country anymore. reporter: when the january 6th committee asked if cheeseboro was in washington the first week of january which he is bro pleaded the fifth. let s start marching to the capitol! reporter: but there is no question he was there. cnn has analyzed publicly available photos and videos from that day which show his movements. in the hours before the insurrection, he was with alex jones and his entourage a short distance from the capitol. chess bro is here wearing a trump 2020 hat. which he is bro follows alex jones and a crowd of protesters as they walk through the capital. he has his phone out, seemingly recording jones s every move. let s go around to the other side. let s not fight the police and give the system what they want. we are peaceful.

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Transcripts for CNN CNN News Central 20240604 14:08:00

court filing last night. always we ve got to listen to what the judge says. yes, we do. so do they. thank you so much for your great reporting on this. john? so new this morning, a cnn exclusive on one of the attorneys charged in georgia for conspiring with donald trump to overturn the election. ken cheeseboro is one of the alleged architects of the so-called fake elector plot. now cnn has identified him on video on january 6th at the u.s. capitol, and what s more, the video specifically showed him following conspiracy theorist alex jones around the grounds. with me now, one of the men who poured through this video to find this, cnn k-file senior editor andrew kaczynski. remarkable reporting. what did you find? what s interesting is he follows alex jones for more than an hour as they make their way to the capitol grounds, including in some restricted areas that were previously barricaded off by police. now what s interesting about this who is kenneth

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:32:00

case the courts somehow intervened on trump s behalf, even after 63 or whatever decisions against the trump campaign at that point. the other thing that stands out to me is just how little and again, most of trump s actual lawyers, the professionals in the justice department and at the white house did actually care about the real-world consequences, the laws that may have been pushed or violated, but there were a select few people here, including kenneth cheeseboro and john eastman who simply, it didn t occur to them or they didn t care enough about what the consequences and spill-out of such a strategy were. cheeseboro is saying, this is bold and controversial. in another memo, eastman, i believe, said something, well, they may be rioting in the streets, but that s why we have the insurrection act, as if a little sort of blood in the streets was just the price you pay for this type of strategy. and it s remarkable, i guess, to me, maybe a little bit shocking, that people were willin

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:28:00

were going to be the electorates, fake electorates to create a fraudulent slate of electors, and this is what trump s defenders are calling free speech. no, no, that s an attempt to defraud americans. cheeseboro allegedly wrote to another trump lawyer about what he acknowledged was a, quote, bold and controversial strategy, but claimed that he was not necessarily advising this course of action, despite trying to distance himself from the plan, the times reports that just one day after sending that memo, it ended up on the desk of trump s personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. oh, that s just not good for rudy or anybody. as for the fake electorate scheme itself, cheeseboro even admitted that the supreme court was likely to end up rejecting the plan. but even in that case, he claimed that airing it out publicly would, quote, buy the

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Transcripts for MSNBC Morning Joe 20240604 10:27:00

about this. now to one of the other big stories that we re following this morning, a previously unseen memo is providing potentially damning new evidence about the plot to overturn the 2020 election results by donald trump and members of his inner circle. the memo, which was obtained by the new york times and has not been verified by nbc news, was allegedly sent many early december 2020, by trump lawyer, kenneth cheeseboro. cheeseboro was one of the co-conspirators identified but not charged in the justice department s most recent indictment of the former president. in the newly obtained note, cheeseboro outlines what would become known as the fake elector scheme, which falsely claims that former vice president mike pence had the power to block the certification of the state s votes on january 6th. and to lie about people who

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