murray that giuliani was notified by prosecutors that he would be a target in this investigation. as you noted, this is the fulton county investigation into donald trump and his allies actions after he lost the 2020 election in that state. now, he was already, giuliani, scheduled to testify in front of a grand jury after being subpoenaed on wednesday. his lawyers now say that he is still going to do so, but they would not answer questions on whether or not he would invoke the fifth amendment, again, because he s now been told officially that he is a target of this investigation. at the time rudy giuliani was serving as trump s personal attorney and made efforts in multiple states regarding the 2020 election. now, of course, we are seeing how this is unfolding in fulton county in that investigation. okay, that s really interesting breaking news. and, also, there s some news about lindsey graham? reporter: that s absolutely right. this comes on the same day that senator li
And said no i m not gonna do it. when he said he wouldn t do it the president went out and tweeted that he said he would do it. i might need some ice skates, because these two agreed wholeheartedly. hail has burst open. [laughter] climate change, fyi. the first amendment argument, as you said, is perhaps unlikely to work in the court of law. but in the court of public opinion, especially in republican primary, i see it being very potent. why? if you look at the other things he s accused of, let s take the mar-a-lago documents, donald trump is always positioning himself as i am the one standing between the deep state, the democrat and, you. they really want to come after people like you. on the moral largo documents they want to prevent people from keeping documents in their bathroom. that s a little harder to make that case. is if they had classified status. a lot of republicans feel strongly that they are not allowed to say things that they believe to be true. and it s
Hell has frozen over. take notes, climate change, of why i. the first amendment argument, as you ve said, is perhaps unlikely to work in a court of law. but in the court of public opinion, especially in a republican primary, i see it being very potent. why? here s why. if you look at the other things he s been accused, of let s take the mar-a-lago documents, donald trump is always positioning himself as i am the one standing between the deep state, the democrats, and you. they really want to come after people like you. on the mar-a-lago documents, they want to prevent people from keeping documents in their bathrobe? that one is a little harder to make that case. and what do they classify as that? a lot of republicans feel very strongly that they are not allowed to say things that he believed to be true. it s not just about the 2020 election, whether it is covid and its origins, whether it s all sorts of stuff about social and political issues. they believe, i am not allowed t
Serious jail time here, and the charges are very simple, and very clear, involved against carlos de oliveira, it involves lying to the fbi. the other one, against both of them, removing boxes and concealing information. so, that is on tape, so, going back to the nixon times, that s on tape so, it s very hard for them to avoid conviction in my opinion. but whether they ll ultimately turn, i don t know. catherine, i wish everybody read the indictment, because you can see the language in there, you can see the transcripts of the recording. carlos de oliveira was asked questions in an investigation about whether he did x or y. he wasn t asked questions about his opinion of trump, or overturning the election, we re keeping documents, or any of that stuff. he was asking questions about what he did that would prove to be lies. now his legal attorney says, we are lying to the fbi. that s not really loyalty to the boss, although that clip i
Against them. some of the documents might be old. some of the documents might not be as concerning as they look like on paper with the descriptions, but this seems to be a very strong case against trump, not just because the documents seem to be at a higher level of classification, but because where the prosecutor is going. the special prosecutor is making the case for intent, for willful obstruction, that is a very high bar to reach. but it s also laid out in the document. i suspect part of this is for a few reasons. one, he wants to float above the whole political side of this debate that s going to happen behind and outside the courtroom, but also to distinguish this case against trump from one that could, for example, be made against president biden for keeping documents in his garage. eric, i want to ask you, because we hear obviously a lot of these counts are hanging on the espionage act. you hear trump and his allies, look at that, say it s