is a two-tiered system of justice. but some of this is a self-fulfilling prophecy because his opponents shore him up and they have echoed that it is a two-theered system of justice and it is a sign that it is rigged and we sue in star wars we learned that luke skywalker had to confront darth vader. he couldn t wait for the force or hans solo to take care of it for him. so ron desantis and a tim scott and a mike pence, if they want to win, the nominee goes through donald trump and you have to confront him. hope is never a political strategy. so far it is mike pence and maybe chris christie that are speaking out against these indictments and supporting the justice department thus far in making them. kate, on saturday, trump called mike pence, quote, dissolutional. but it was was interesting that mo brooks a republican has rushed to mike pence s defense
fraud. but so i also think that is a really peculiar political strategy given that casting doubt about mail-in ballots given that the aim here is to get as many people to vote for you as possible. so continuing to sow doubts about the legitimacy and the validity of being able to vote by mail, where they could vote from the convenience of their home, that seems like a peculiar political treat to me. so dog, kate just teed you up. saying trump lost but still placing a doubt on the 2020 election. listen to what he said. i don t think it was the perfect election. i remember after a lot of the me media was saying it was most secure election in history. how could it be secure when it is the mail-in ballots going out. it was the trump department of homeland security said it was most secure many american history, so why do you think up until this day so many republicans till can t accept that? well, it is part of a chicken
it is so close now. and these indictments, at least thus far, aren t impacting him with voters there. jessica, thank you. well, with me now is dog high from the rnc and kate beddingfield, the former white house communications director for the biden administration. welcome both of you. so kate, yes, desantis had to be pressed and it really is just stating the obvious. but nonetheless, it was notable, what do you make of him finally saying of course trump lost? well, the fact that this is a baseline litmus test for republican candidates who are running for president is frankly showing you where the bar is. this is donald trump s party an fact that it took ron desantis this long to acknowledge what very clearly happened legitimately in 2020 is pretty startling. i think the other important thing to think about here is we saw the clip saying he lost. but he s also continued to sow doubts about mail-in ballots an the legitimacy of the election around the edges when there is no evidence
it was literally dehumanizing and subjut gaiting people. i think to kate s point, this is why ron desantis is having a hard time. he s doubling down on these issues, i think making a campaign about issues that a broad electoral doesn t really care about. will hurd obviously speaking the truth about slavery. it was dehumanizing. millions died, so the idea there was an up side for african americans is just ridiculous. i think that s exactly right. the more a flailing campaign is bring down the whole party.
border. also tonight, ron desantis hits the reset button, promising donors a leaner and meaner campaign, as his bid struggles and messaging and cost overruns continue the serious problems. i want to bring in nia-malika henderson along with alice stewart, and welcome our brand-new commentator, kate beddingfield, she served as communication director in the biden white house. what do you make of the plan to run this campaign, if you will, what do you make of this pivot from the florida governor? i think campaigns can make logistical changes, but the problem for ron desantis is his position is so far outside. this is an election that s going to be decided by an incredibly narrow band of essentially