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front-runner and won t go after the elephant in the room, for the most part. it s absurd. for people like ron desantais, this is his last chance to turn his campaign around. for other people like tim scott and nikki haley, this might be the first time most americans have seen him debate, so it is an important opportunity for them, too. chris christie who has been swinging at donald trump over course of this campaign has an opportunity to knock him down a few pegs, but if all the candidates refuse to say to their audience, look, you like donald trump. i like donald trump, he s fine, but he s probably going to be in prison within the next year or two. let s elect someone else. if not, then we ll say that this is a complete fraud of an election and all of these candidate are running vanity projects. what do you say to conventional wisdom and s.e. cupp? i agree with s.e. there s this cowardly denialism that is seeping into the
hate like that, the best thing that you can do is condemn it. but also, knock it down a few pegs. and this is just really silly. i mean, i can t imagine what americans are gonna see this. and have this change their mind. it might motivate democratic voters to start paying attention. and i think if that is what he has succeeded in. that maybe what we re looking at. s succee i m smiling, becausei remember a gay friend of mine saying, was that an anti-gay ad? i saw brad pitt looking hot in his boots. [inaudible] [laughter] from my vice president mike pence running. he s out, and of course seeking the white house. he is trying to engage with voters on what he could and could not do on january 6th. during our meet and greet in iowa yesterday. pence defended himself after a woman falsely claimed that he had the constitutional power to
collusion story for years. well, look, in media we often talk about time pegs, and i think the release of the durham report is a time peg. okay, now we have a chance to cover this story again, we have a chance to open this back up, relitigate it. that s what we re seeing with the durham report. i don t think there s anything new here. in terms of whether or not liberal journalists, people in the media are going to do soul searching and look inside themselves, i really couldn t tell you. but i do think the fact that the has been reopened in such a way that it s being repeated essentially as though, you know, gosh, gosh, actually all this horrible stuff happened and durham revealed that that has not come to pass. of the three conviction withs he sought, the only one that turned into anything was actually done by someone separate outside of durham. ful. howard: if you want to measure it by that, absolutely. but you could measure trump by that same measure, couldn t you? howard: