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were he withdrawing from it. and the trump lawyers would know that. that would be the real tell. other than that, that he has lawyers who are somewhat more professional and they surely are than the trump organization lawyers, i think is pretty mild evidence of any kind of incipient rift between them. and just to be clear, there is no reporting that they have dissolved any sort of joint defense agreement. that was, though, if you remember back to mike flynn s, we ve talked about him earlier in the show, dramatic i don t know if you can call it flipping. he ended up being pardoned, but that was the step that proceeded his cooperation. there s nothing like that yet with allen weisselberg. right. and chuck rosenberg, i wonder what you make go ahead, harry. i just want to see if that happens, you would see the trump organization lawyers and the trump lawyers reacting and probably disparaging him and it would be pretty clear from their public presentation.