trying to make is, when people aren t there yet. when voters aren t there yet. you have to give them space to come along. it doesn t mean have to sacrifice your values, doesn t mean you have to compromise your principles. but you have to allow people space to grow and learn from their mistakes. or say something wrong once a wall and then grow and learn from it. and i don t think democratic politicians necessarily do that. but i think, you know, the larger discussion, the national debate can sometimes go to that place. i think what barack obama was trying to say is. you know, like, he won the presidency twice by being open to trying to bring a lot of people along. sometimes people just want to not feel as though they are walking on eggshells. so spoke of former president obama. john favrow, former obama speech writer and host of the wilderness, also positive america. john, it s always great to see, you thank you for your time and, wisdom this evening. eugene, alex, thanks for having
know, say things the wrong way. you know, make mistakes. and that attitude, i think, of just being a little more real and a little more grounded is something that i think goes a long way in counteracting what is a systematic propaganda that i think is being pumped out by fox news and all of these other outlets all the time. former president obama is about to get back out on the campaign trail for democratic candidates. but first, he sat down for that interview with my next guest. joining us now is john favrow, former speech writer for president obama and host of the wilderness, a podcast about the history and future of the democratic party. he is also co-host of the little known podcast pod save america, which this week featured against named barack obama. john, thank you for being here, my friend. i m gonna get right to it. the president in that clip that we just played his, on the one
outlets all the time. former president obama is about to get back out on the campaign trail for democratic candidates. but first, he sat down for that interview with my next guest. joining us now is john favrow, former speech writer for president obama and host of the wilderness, a podcast about the history and future of the democratic party. he is also co-host of the little known podcast pod save america, which this week featured against named barack obama. john, thank you for being here, my friend. i m gonna get right to it. the president in that clip that we just played his, on the one hand, sort of explaining why he thinks, what the work the democrats need to do. but he is also kind of giving his thesis about why he thinks people support republicans. and i wonder what you make of his words?
until michael dukakis asked me to go out on the campaign trail. it wasn t the last month or so, so we were in the downward spiral, for sure. but what happened was that when i got on twitter, i think a personality comes out. and you are likes and dislikes, because i m not and activists. you know, i am not a pundit. but you know, i m just an american citizen who has an opinion. one last question i have to ask, mark, before i let you go, a star wars question from a fanboy. what was it like to be back on the screen, as look skywalker? aided by cgi, in the tv series on disney+ after all those years. i mean, i literally, like many, whooped out loud when you are right and that fight scene in the season to finale. well, john favrow and day for lonely invited me over to watch some footage. they said they wanted my opinion. i said, well, that s unusual. no one has done that before and came to star wars, certainly,
it. yeah. it s easier than extraordinary dimes, and they require extraordinary measures. they are indeed. you could not make the stuff up. one last question i have to ask before i let you go. it s a star wars question from a fanboy. what was it like to be back on the screen us looks got walkers? well, kind of back on screen aided by cgi in the tv series on the mandalorian on disney plus. when you arrived on scene in that season two finale? well, john favrow and dave fulani invited me over to watch some footage. they said they want to my opinion. i thought, well that s unusual. no one has done that before when it came to star wars. certainly not in the sequel, so i went over, they showed me the footage. and then they propose this idea which i was got smacked does two british are fond of saying. because the da process and the whole thing, i mean, i had never thought that i would go back and play that part again. but one thing that i think is