chris, are we hearing in both harry reid and joe biden the first steps of some kind of retreat? or is that actually what makes sense to say at a time like this because there actually is a significant period of time before this rule goes into effect? i m concerned in the words of margaret thatcher that they re going wabbly. i think this is an issue in which there is always, i think, a generational understanding of the part of democratic politician that s whenever a culture issue like this comes up, they re going to be on the losing side of it and they should be scared of it. i saline into it. you re on the right side of this. lean forward. lean forward. sorry. toward it. you re on the right side of this on substance. we can talk about what the eeoc talked about title seven of the civil rights act. but you re right on the politics. i think ultimate think is a political winner for the democrats. and i think what you what
was set told a radio station i m determined to see that this gets worked out. and i believe we can work it out. there s going to be a significant attempt to work this out and there s time to do that. and as a practicing catholic, i am of the view that this can be worked out and should be worked out and i know the president feels the same way. joining me now, host of up with chris hayes and alice wagner. thank you both for joining us. suddenly the title the last word is feel very bulky. the short syllable one word things. one word. what s happening? as long as you re covering religious wars. even cooler. chris, are we hearing in both harry reid and joe biden the first steps of some kind of