northeast philadelphia, parts of northeast philadelphia voted for trump last time, and south philly too. i think this is a focus group. a political focus group. politics, you get a bunch of people and set them aside for the rest of the country and fill them with all the facts. give them all the information that s relevant to the discussion and they give you a verdict about what they think about the counting. this was a focus group. aside from the legal factors it was a focus group of people who got for 21 days all the facts. unmitigated truth of what was going on in this matter in this case and they came out with a judgment in a matter of nine or 10 hours. so it s really important in a country where 3/5 of the country don t get the news you don t get the philadelphia inquirer read the washington post or the new york times or other big papers but they don t get the news. they say things like, tiktok didn t really cover the trial. what? or i hear that joe biden
fraud. and now a convicted felon who thinks about himself, and of course every word that comes out of his mouth is revenge against people who dare cross them. or you can have joe biden who wakes up every day thinking about the american people but delivering and making sure our democracies are protected and our freedoms are protected and he makes life better for all americans. that s the choice before the american people and nothing that happened yesterday will change the fact that we have an election about who america is going to be for years to come in a couple of months. so you just framed the national significance of yesterday and the choice ahead. tell us. how will the biden campaign use this verdict? how will you incorporate it into your messaging and what were the president himself say? i don t want to get out of the president. i don t have any news to make on what he will will say and when he will speak. he will address it in time. but it s affected now. and a comfortable fa
doubt that the abusiveness that some people, for some strange reason are drawn to on the campaign trail, it cost him inside the courtroom. they had a mild-mannered judge. the judge that the jury seemed to like. and trump was constantly being abusive toward the judge. he had a witness that the judge had to dress down. time and time again, trump and his lawyers thought they could bully their way through these proceedings. it s a very small room. and if the jury, if they like the judge, they re looking at what s going on through the eyes of the judge. that had to hurt donald trump from the very beginning. joe, i think you re probably talking about the most important point that happened during this trial, including the verdict. and it overshadows the big headlines that say guilty on every front page in the country. and it s the fact that 12
welcome back to morning joe: weekend. let s picked back up on the conversation we were having before the break. chuck rosenberg. joe s question as to what you think happened, why do you think this happened the way it did over the last few days, but also to get to to focus in on the idea of sentencing. what would your thoughts be as to what donald trump will face? first question first, jonathan. my experience has been overwhelmingly that when jurors assemble and they tell a judge they can be fair and listen with an open mind, they actually mean it. so, yeah, understand it only takes one juror to hang a jury and to create a miss trial but that s not what tends to happen. and i think danny is right about the psychology of it. listen to their own words
intent applied to all of them broadly based on the evidence they heard of trump s involvement in the could ve arrived at this relatively quickly. maybe we will find out they took a straw poll right away when they got in the jury room and there was a minority. and going to your question, joe. you are right. we often speak that it only takes one juror. but practically speaking if you are that one of 12 and you get in that jury room and you find that i m the only one who doesn t agree with my 11 fellow jurors, those folks, i don t think, tend to hold out for too long. mass psychology is that, well, i better listen to what they have to say. i m convinced of will. i m someone with an open mind. i said i would look at this with an open mind. when you wanted to make in the minority, maybe it doesn t take too long. that s why the read back the testimony to say, hey, steve, are you convinced now? maybe your memory is refreshed. are you with us? that s probably why this happened. in my view this